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Old 17th Apr 2018, 21:55
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Oh so we are back to your bizarre conspiracy theory where the Obama Appointed Inspector General is putting in the fix for Trump..
Bizarre conspiracy theory? No. The IG was just the man sent to ask questions, he did not initiate the probe - political people in support of Rump™ did. A Republican political appointee is also the man that fired McCabe. These are commonly known things we like to refer to as facts.

Although, I will play along - speaking of Bizarre Conspiracy theories - perhaps the following facts and incongruous thoughts are familiar to you:

The Bush 43 appointed former FBI director, a lifelong Republican, was brought in to investigate Russia's election meddling, by an appointee of Rump™, Rod Rosenstein, also a Republican due to the lying nature of Rump™ appointee and good ole boy, Jeff 'Jethro' Sessions, also a Republican. Are we agreed so far?

So, according to some Republicans, including Sean "Cohen's not my attorney!" Hannity, and lying Rump™ himself, the Russia investigation, which has so far gathered some fairly big pieces of (rotten) fruit, is some kind of partisan witch hunt?

Shoe, other foot, Pot, kettle, etc etc?

So far:
GF hit a fly ball to center feild, and it was caught. One out.
HWY1 up to the plate for 0-2. First base is open and waiting.
Going for strike 3 or what?

Still waiting to hear that the IG investigation into the FBI's handling of Hillary's murderous and treasonous email sever was not a politically motivated enterprise as was the timing and methods of McCAbe's firing.
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Old 17th Apr 2018, 22:46
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Originally Posted by vapilot2004 View Post
Bizarre conspiracy theory? No. The IG was just the man sent to ask questions, he did not initiate the probe - political people in support of Rump™ did. A Republican political appointee is also the man that fired McCabe. These are commonly known things we like to refer to as facts.
Well the facts are that the IG (appointed by Obama) found McCabe guilty of lying under oath.

So should the Deputy Director of the FBI be allowed to get away with lying under oath?

A simple yes or no...
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Old 17th Apr 2018, 22:56
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What is the Republican party plan for 2 year hence?
Batten the hatches and hunker down, I would imagine.

Currently, the GOP Congress is in a state of panicked flux. A total of 25 incumbent members of the House and 3 Senators have announced "retirements", including the embattled Speaker of the House, Paul Ryan, who recently claimed that old chestnut of the need for "spending more time with family".

There haven't been this many GOP party members scurrying for the exits in several decades. Political scientists have determined the recent flurry of retirements is due to the fact that for many members of Congress, it is now preferable to retire rather than face a difficult re-election campaign back home, and likely lose. For those that had the balls to stand up to the president, they will likely face a well-funded primary challenger from the far right.

The last such mass "retirement' runners up in our recent history are: after the disastrous Bush 43 presidency, and the previous gang, who gave up, heads hung low, after the Watergate scandal roiled Washington.

Are they grooming another candidate or are they still in awe/shock of the past 15 months and will stay with the status quo come what may?
As others have pointed out, there have been primary challenges to sitting presidents in the past, all of which went down in flames. However, Rump™'s situation is, like the man, rather strange and unique.

The problem is, GOP members of Congress are (apparently!) less concerned with morality, stability, national security, and international perceptions of American integrity, than they are with damaging their own party by turning their backs against their own party leader, yet they also the damage done by not opposing Rump™'s lies, divisive rhetoric, dysfunctional leadership, and bombast. They're in a really tough spot. In addition, they currently have a president who is willing to sign just about any GOP-authored legislation put before him.

So a candidate that comes to challenge the sitting president would certainly be an unwanted interloper, likely angering party regulars, as well as the outliers, such as the House Freedom Caucus or the disastrous and divisive Tea Partiers.

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Old 17th Apr 2018, 23:02
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Highway 1 fouls one off. The count is still 0-2 with 1 out. West Coast is on deck warming up.

I already gave you my response - you prove to me and others here that the IG investigation was not politically motived, and I will agree, McCabe should have been fired.

So should the Deputy Director of the FBI be allowed to get away with lying
I dunno. Should the president? Should the Attorney General? Should the National Security Advisor? Should the president's top campaign official? Should the president's biggest Faux News supporter?

You see, you're stuck in that spot that Rump™ and his defenders are currently held that I gave months ago in a little parable:

Little Donny: Look, Hillary spilt her ice cream all over the front porch!

Parents: Oh my gosh! Hillary! How could you be so careless!

Hillary: Mom! Dad! Donny started a fire in the back yard!

Little Donny: Fire? What fire? I didn't start any fires. You're a liar! You spilt ICE CREAM!!!!, You spilt ICE CREAM!!!!, You spilt ICE CREAM!!!!

Parents: [garbled and unreadable due to fire engine sirens in the background]
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Old 17th Apr 2018, 23:03
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Highway 1,

In swamp talk, it’s not lying, it’s “lack of candor”. As to leaking, “they all do it” is swamp talk for “it’s ok if I broke the law and NDA, everybody does it. If I’m fired everybody should be fired”. Which is true, yes, every swinging dick in DC should be fired.

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Old 17th Apr 2018, 23:21
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Highway 1 fouls one off. The count is still 0-2 with 1 out. West Coast is on deck warming up.

I already gave you my response - you prove to me and others here that the IG investigation was not politically motived, and I will agree, McCabe should have been fired.
So the IG appointed by Obama carries out politically motivated investigations - evidence?. So lets all put our tin foil hats on and run with your conspiracy theory, even if Mike Horowitz was politically motivated that doesn't excuse the the Deputy Director of the FBI lying under oath (well not in my world)


I dunno. Should the president? Should the Attorney General? Should the National Security Advisor? Should the president's top campaign official? Should the president's biggest Faux News supporter?
Anyone who holds elected office or a position in the judiciary should be fired if they lie under oath - cant understand why you keep defending it. It is people like you who play their partisan games that created the swamp in the first place. I'll bet you were first up to defend Ted Kennedy in 1969..
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Old 17th Apr 2018, 23:21
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Bit of confusion here. Ms. Haley announced more sanctions against Mr. Trump's love interest. Quickly the White House walks that back. Why?

Not saying that more sanctions are needed at this time (though they could be but I am not reading the daily briefing books), but not having a unified voice on this is odd. Worse, is it makes Ms. Haley look bad which is too bad as she had won the respect, while perhaps not constant agreement, of her colleagues in New York.
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Old 17th Apr 2018, 23:23
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Bit of confusion here. Ms. Haley announced more sanctions against Mr. Trump's love interest. Quickly the White House walks that back. Why?
We might need to ask the president that question. I'm sure Miss Sanders will be giving some kind of BS boilerplate non-answer to that sometime soon.
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Indeed VA! Good for Ms. Haley pushing back against that towering intellect Kudlow. I admire her pluck in not taking grief from that cretin. Getting a word from the boss man himself is one thing, but not from that craven lickspittle.

Is it just me or does Ms. Sanders look like someone who would have been a guard in a Cold War era Romanian womens' prison?
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Uncle Fred, for some, they would pay extra for a Sarah Sanders type to come into their boudoir and do her magic. Agreed with Haley's response, although she might want to tread lightly as evidenced by so many others that have since unceremoniously left (by invitation or otherwise) Rump's™ orbit after standing up to his nonsense.

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So the IG appointed by Obama carries out politically motivated investigations - evidence?. So lets all put our tin foil hats on and run with your conspiracy theory, even if Mike Horowitz was politically motivated that doesn't excuse the the Deputy Director of the FBI lying under oath (well not in my world)
I refer you to my previous response, which you seem to be unable to ingest.

Bizarre conspiracy theory? No. The IG was just the man sent to ask questions, he did not initiate the probe - political people in support of Rump™ did. A Republican political appointee is also the man that fired McCabe. These are commonly known things we like to refer to as facts.

Although, I will play along - speaking of Bizarre Conspiracy theories - perhaps the following facts and incongruous thoughts are familiar to you:

The Bush 43 appointed former FBI director, a lifelong Republican, was brought in to investigate Russia's election meddling, by an appointee of Rump™, Rod Rosenstein, also a Republican due to the lying nature of Rump™ appointee and good ole boy, Jeff 'Jethro' Sessions, also a Republican. Are we agreed so far?

So, according to some Republicans, including Sean "Cohen's not my attorney!" Hannity, and lying Rump™ himself, the Russia investigation, which has so far gathered some fairly big pieces of (rotten) fruit, is some kind of partisan witch hunt?

Shoe, other foot, Pot, kettle, etc etc?

Anyone who holds elected office or a position in the judiciary should be fired if they lie
Does this mean we should fire the president? ...because the only thing that comes out of his little mouth, or toilet-training twitter feed seems to be lies and nothing but lies. Are you an American? Can I provide the mailing details for your member of Congress so you can let them know?

It is people like you who play their partisan games that created the swamp in the first place.
For those of you tuned to Faux News Channel
NEWS ALERT! This just in!


The modern swamp was created by...wait for it... you might recognize his name... hang on.... it's coming in now....Paul Manafort. The guy under Federal indictment for lying, conspiracy against the government, and, as it turns out, was Rump's™ former campaign manager. What's more, nearly all of Rump's™ top appointees are swamp creatures. Imagine that. Partisan games indeed.

Lay off the personal attacks Highway1 and stick to the discussion, if you don't mind.

That was your second foul ball. The 3rd base umpire thought he saw a swing through on that last pitch, but the plate umpire said no strike is called. We're still at 0 and 2.

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Old 17th Apr 2018, 23:35
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VAP - I see you totally avoided the question as usual. I'll try again.

even if Mike Horowitz was politically motivated that doesn't excuse the the Deputy Director of the FBI lying under oath

Does this mean we should fire the president?
If he has lied under oath then yes - any examples of this happening?. If you are asking that the president be fired for just lying well you are joking right? - did you demand Obama was sacked for the lie of the year in 2013?

Somehow I think not...

Lie of the Year: 'If you like your health care plan, you can keep it' | PolitiFact
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Old 17th Apr 2018, 23:42
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vapilot2004,

You keep running on about Comey, Rosenstein being Republicans as if that supposed to mean something. It’s sort of the logical fallacy of appeal to authority. “If I’m Republican, Xxx is a Republican, I must agree with them”. It’s more like, “they’re members of the DC establishment, they went to the same schools as the Dems did, their children all go to the same schools, they hold the same elitist beliefs that us citizens are just a problem to their rule”. The whole lot of the Versailles on the Potomac needs a revolution and a guillotine. Unfortunately, everyone down there drinks the city water, even Trump.

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Old 17th Apr 2018, 23:53
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Oath schmoath. Lies are lies. Period. Should be the end of that discussion, but wait, it's Washington, so there is a difference, isn't there?

Let's see. Lies, lies and more lies.

I recall one that was about a president getting a blow job in the White House. That one led to quite an uproar across the GOP and by golly, it was Under Oath too! Horror! Shock!

Then there's the lie about invading a country that had nothing whatsoever to do with 11 September, leading to thousands of US and coalition soldiers dead, and tens of thousands coming home with permanent injuries, all based upon a lie. Nobody went to jail for that one.

Which one seems more serious to you? I suppose that is why you seemed focused on your "under oath" tirade. Proven lies that lead to death and destruction, are not good, unless you are in the GOP, apparently, whilst again according to the GOP, a lie about a blow job, under oath, is an impeachable offense.

So going back to our McCabe 'discussion', let me ask you this, which is more serious - a bunch of ne'er do wells (5, so far) that have been caught lying about their connections to Russian operatives during the 2016 election, or an internal "lack of candor" at the FBI which has been already shown to be in a somewhat gray area, based on testimony of both of the participants and therefore witnesses?

Don't answer these questions unless you want your partisan slip to show. The majority of the world at large already knows the correct response to all of the above.

even if Mike Horowitz was politically motivated
Nobody said that. The investigation of the investigation of Hillary's murderous, treasonous, and terrible terrible email server WAS politically motivated.

HWY1 fouls another one off, this time into the stands. Still at 0 and 2. 1 Out.
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Old 18th Apr 2018, 00:08
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Oath schmoath. Lies are lies. Period. Should be the end of that discussion, but wait, it's Washington, so there is a difference, isn't there?
Well you certainly seem to think so - lies by your 'side' are perfectly acceptable it seems.

I remind you that out of the 2 of us I am the only one calling for those found to be lying under oath to be sacked....


So going back to our McCabe 'discussion', let me ask you this, which is more serious - a bunch of ne'er do wells (5, so far) that have been caught lying about their connections to Russian operatives during the 2016 election, or an internal "lack of candor" at the FBI which has been already shown to be in a somewhat gray area, based on testimony of both of the participants and therefore witnesses?
Again, a politician or lawyer lying is to be expected - the Deputy Director of the FBI lying under oath is not (at least in my world)

Don't answer these questions unless you want your partisan slip to show. The majority of the world at large already knows the correct response to all of the above.
Oh dont worry, I think we have all discovered who the partisan one is..

Nobody said that. The investigation of the investigation of Hillary's murderous, treasonous, and terrible terrible email server WAS politically motivated.
Oh dear, more tinfoil hat time. So now the FBI are politically motivated along with the IG..

As you have forgotten - the FBI investigation of Clinton began under Obama - perhaps he was part of your conspiracy as well?
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So now the FBI are politically motivated along with the IG..
Nobody said that - except you and the president, who is under investigation by the same. DOJ's head AG Jethro Sessions is without a doubt politically motivated. The investigation of the investigation of Hillary was politically motivated.

The only bat-shit crazy conspiracies I've heard about lately seem to be those touted by Sean "Cohen's not my lawyer" Hannity and your party's president, alongside those parroted in this thread.

The rest of us are just watching as the truth about real crimes are dripping out, so far members of the presidents top level staff or campaign indicted (or having already pled guilty) include: Flynn, Manafort, Gates, Papadopoulos, and now, Rump's™ consiglieri, Michael Cohen. These are cold, hard facts of reality.

Well you certainly seem to think so - lies by your 'side' are perfectly acceptable it seems.
So, let's review: Lie about a blow job = bad. Thousands of constant, proven, public lies from this president = OK. Lie about an invasion and war leading to thousands of coalition deaths = OK in your world. Differing recollections of a conversation internal to the FBI, turned into the firing of the Deputy Director, after the Director was fired by Rump™ for failing to kowtow and offer his 'loyalty' and the leave "Russia thing" alone, also = OK. Got it.

Steerike three, Highway1. You're out! Thanks for playing. 2 outs. Nobody on. Who's on deck?
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Nobody said that. You're saying that. DOJ's head AG Jethro Sessions is without a doubt politically motivated. The investigation of the investigation of Hillary was politically motivated.
Can we be clear - is there anyone who you dont think is politically motivated against you?


So, let's review: Lie about a blow job = bad. Thousands of constant, proven, public lies from this president = OK. Lie about an invasion and war leading to thousands of coalition deaths = OK in your world. Differing recollections of a conversation internal to the FBI, turned into to firing the Deputy Director, after the Director was fired by Rump™ also OK. Got it.
Clinton lied under oath - impeached. Obama lied as is normal for a politician - no action

Its all quite simple..
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Can we be clear - is there anyone who you dont think is politically motivated against you?
Wow! That's very impressive! Did you just tap into Melania and Donald's pillow talk?

Its all quite simple..
As is, apparently, this president and those that support him.

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Bizarre conspiracy theory? No. The IG was just the man sent to ask questions, he did not initiate the probe - political people in support of Rump™ did. A Republican political appointee is also the man that fired McCabe. These are commonly known things we like to refer to as facts

Talk about untethered to the truth. Who, just who are these political people you refer to?
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All this talk about politicians lying, you chaps seem to have forgotten the rule about how you can tell when they lie, their lips move.
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All very true, M. Lawyers, the biggest lot of them are. Law school (and business school) is where they learn how to lie really well. Washington DC is the proving ground. Then it's on to Brussels.

WC: Republicans in Congress (and some Democrats) have been trying to sway Horowitz' investigation for over a year now. He's been in front of committees several times now, but was a good, honest soldier, and did not waver from his charge. Recall I stood up for Comey as being a straight shooter, even when I did not understand his actions during the whole email revisit, and I understand Horowitz is just doing his job - and from what everyone says (again like Comey) does his job well, with integrity.

Meanwhile, lets take a walk down 2017 way, back in time to before the House of Rump™, and before those y-u-g-e crowds arrived:

White House press secretary Josh Earnest said White House officials had no involvement in the decision to launch the review.

"This administration has assiduously protected the independence of inspectors general, so we wouldn't weigh in publicly or privately," he said.
It was quiet, a few hints here and there, but then came the summer of 2017 and the opening volley, 6:48AM, White House Executive toilet:




Plenty more presidential twits came and went, some of them practically incoherent, and then we get this:



Jethro agreed. Done. Fired. Right on Time too.
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