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Old 7th Apr 2017, 12:36
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..people in glass houses....

And I thought Hillary was supposed to be the warmonger and Trump the isolationist.
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Old 7th Apr 2017, 13:06
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Jobs?

In the third employment report of Donald J. Trump's young presidency, the economy gained just 98,000 jobs in March, lower than the 180,000 expected.
So where are the jobs?
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Old 7th Apr 2017, 13:50
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Sorry, to my allies here. I'm not with Trump on this one. What's the goal? Slap Asswad's face a bit? That's historically a Democrat tactic.

Better off to get back to work on Vlad and work something out.
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Old 7th Apr 2017, 13:58
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We don't know what conversations took place do we?

Who knows...this may be the catalyst needed to get the dialogue going.

The Russians did say their support of Assad was not "unconditional" several days ago....was that a public signal by the Russians and other more private contacts had established some sort of understanding between the Russian Government and the American Government?
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Old 7th Apr 2017, 14:43
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Originally Posted by The Nip View Post
I have asked this before: Why can you kill hundreds of thousands by whatever horrific way you choose, yet 72 are killed by chemicals and suddenly everyone gets upset?

Why are the 470,000 killed so far less important than the 72?
Exactly the point! I am also not convinced military strategy can be effective when based on TV pictures of wretched victims of conflict. Our Great Leader is about to receive a sharp lesson in "the laws of unintended consequences" if he keeps reacting instead of planning.
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Old 7th Apr 2017, 14:44
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What's the goal?
Looks like a fake response to a fake attack.

The interesting question is: if the Russians are telling the truth and only 23 missiles hit the airbase, what were the other 36 aimed at?
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Old 7th Apr 2017, 15:02
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" The Russians did say their support of Assad was not "unconditional" several days ago....was that a public signal by the Russians and other more private contacts had established some sort of understanding between the Russian Government and the American Government? "

Call It Collusion? Only if you are a butt hurt Democrat. Realism demands: call it Diplomacy.

More money to be made in Oil than weapons and Skirmishes.... A new alliance.... Push the position at all costs, even credibility.
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Old 7th Apr 2017, 15:36
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Originally Posted by MG23 View Post
Looks like a fake response to a fake attack.

The interesting question is: if the Russians are telling the truth and only 23 missiles hit the airbase, what were the other 36 aimed at?
I'm not at all sure that the Russians are ever likely to be truthful when it comes to anything in Syria, especially as we need to take account of the way that they spin everything in order to maintain and grow the reputation of Putin within Russia.

Using 59 Tomahawks to hit one airbase seems over-kill to me, and early reports mentioned "targets", something that changed in later reports to "target". I wouldn't be surprised to find out that more than just a single airfield had been targeted, but that other targets are not being made public right now. IIRC, the Tomahawk has a pretty damned good probability of engagement success, around 90% +, which suggests that either more weapons hit the airfield, or that there were other targets.

I don't think it's beyond the bounds of realism to suspect that the US may have used the airfield attack as cover for simultaneous attacks on other targets, particularly, perhaps, IS targets.
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Old 7th Apr 2017, 15:37
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And of course by forcing an attack on Syria the joint chiefs have effectively scuttled any chance of Trump building bridges with his close friends and dance partners in Russia.
O12

You believe the JCS did this independent of Trump?
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Old 7th Apr 2017, 15:47
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I don't think it's beyond the bounds of realism to suspect that the US may have used the airfield attack as cover for simultaneous attacks on other targets, particularly, perhaps, IS targets.
Yes, that's my thought, too. Particularly given reports that Trump warned the Russians and that the damage to the airbase was minor. If they'd hit other Syrian targets, we'd probably have heard about it by now.

But, you're right, no-one tells the whole truth in wartime, so who knows?
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Old 7th Apr 2017, 15:57
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Meanwhile....nuclear warfare in the US Senate!

Because of the Democrats inability to cope with losing a National Election and their ritual suicide in trying to stop the Confirmation of a Supreme Court Justice.....the Republicans used the Pinky Reid endorsed "Nuclear Option" to force a Vote.

The Democrats sure complain when the Shoe is on the other Foot!
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Old 7th Apr 2017, 17:28
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Yup, the Dems screwed the pooch on this one. Gorsuch is fairly mainstream, an attempt to find someone the Dems could buy off on. Now that we're nuclear, wait till they see the next candidate knowing that it will be a completely partisan effort aimed at the base.
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Old 7th Apr 2017, 18:05
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I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt that you weren't a serving US officer, you're just speculating from no knowledge base. Otherwise, that post is so delusional it defies belief. There is simply no way the JCS would order a stroke like this without WH direction

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Old 7th Apr 2017, 18:10
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Gorsuch is fairly mainstream
Democrats don't want a mainstream judge, they want a left-wing ideologue. Mainstream judges would roll back most of the last fifty years of 'progressive' laws.
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Old 7th Apr 2017, 18:36
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"Laws" made by Judges/Justices and not Legislatures or Congress!
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Old 7th Apr 2017, 21:04
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"You believe the JCS did this independent of Trump?"

No, not independent of Trump, that would not be possible.

But i am suggesting that the power elite in DC are totally capable of strong arming the president into complying with the demands of the deep state.

Its interesting that Trump has very strongly apposed any military action in Syria for as long as he has been vocal about geopolitics and yet he completely and rapidly reversed his position on Syria following what could easily have been a false flag gas attack. No investigation, no trial.

Ask yourself, what would Assad gain from using chemical weapons on civilians and more importantly what would he have to lose from the appearance of using them?

Anyone who has studied Iran/Contra, Cambodia, the bay of pigs, the Cuban missile crisis and the Kennedy administration are aware that the unelected centralised power in Washington is fully capable of ignoring the official narrative of the political class and even acting militarily without their knowledge. Black money for black ops.

Trump is a revolutionary for sure but its clear that there are massive power plays going on behind closed doors. Witness the committed undermining of Trump that occurs on everything regarding Russia.
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Old 7th Apr 2017, 21:27
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what would Assad gain from using chemical weapons on civilians and more importantly what would he have to lose from the appearance of using them?
Easy, street cred in Syria. Putin, in his thinking, has his back and wants to see what the US will do about crossing the red line. Assad used sarin during the Obama administration and found it painless. Let's see how the new guy reacts.

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Old 7th Apr 2017, 21:38
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Its kind of sad to watch McCain yabbering on about the poor children killed in the chemical attack, the poor children, the poor children over and over again playing on our emotions to support the retaliation.

What about the thousands or tens of thousands of children killed by American and British and Australian and French strikes across the region for the last bunch of tears.

So much hypocrisy.

Assads aggression is nothing compared to ours.
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Old 7th Apr 2017, 22:29
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Originally Posted by Orange future View Post
Its kind of sad to watch McCain yabbering on about the poor children killed in the chemical attack, the poor children, the poor children over and over again playing on our emotions to support the retaliation.

What about the thousands or tens of thousands of children killed by American and British and Australian and French strikes across the region for the last bunch of tears.

So much hypocrisy.

Assads aggression is nothing compared to ours.
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Old 7th Apr 2017, 22:51
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So where are the jobs?
Will be quite a few replacing all the 59 missiles.
 

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