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Old 22nd Mar 2017, 18:35
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Nice spin, but surveillance was on foreign operatives which caught Trump and his people colluding with Putin and his people on a number of criminal acts. That is what happens when you have Russian crime syndicate operating 3 floors below Trump in Trump Tower. Now we know how Trump was laundering their money for a cut.
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Old 22nd Mar 2017, 19:34
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The Sultan:

"...surveillance was on foreign operatives which caught Trump and his people colluding with Putin and his people on a number of criminal acts...."

It isn't legally possible to "catch an American Citizen colluding..." In fact, It is a felony. That is what the FISA Statute scrupulously demands.

"Unmasking" an American citizen in the course of surveillance of any foreign operative can cost the leaker ten years in prison. Trey Gowdy got on record who could have committed this crime, including Loretta Lynch, Sally Yates, Ben Rhodes, James Clapper, etc. There are about twenty people who could have broken this law, one assumes on the behest of Obama, or the DNC, or Hillary Clinton.....
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Old 22nd Mar 2017, 20:12
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Ethicalconundrum:
"Nothing will come of this investigation by the FBI into the Trump campaign. He's on a new leash, and as we say heah in the south - 'that dog won't hunt'. He and the rest of the upper crust at FBI have been neutered by politics. Look up the law from 04 which came about by 9/11, and put the FBI dir under political control. I forgot the name of it."

You may be looking for the policy written by Jaimey Gurelich, in the Bill Clinton White House. It forbade the CIA from sharing Intel with FBI. A good case can be made that it gave birth to 9/11.

I don't think we disagree. FBI is effectively neutered.

Watched James Clapper interviewed on "Meet The Press" ten days ago. What got said was Clapper denied knowledge of any investigation into Trump. Now that's rich, because the CIA
Is not supposed to engage in domestic spooking.

Chuck Todd, the anchor of Meet The Press, had an uncharacteristically poor showing in the Clapper segment. He was nervous, sweaty, and actually stuttering when asking Claptrap his questions. Todd is confidence personified, I have never seen him stammer, miss a cue, or act especially deferential.

Why would Todd be so intimidated by the CIA director? Is it because Clapper could make a phone call and Todd would be dead in a matter of hours?

The CIA is running the Government, has terabytes of damning evidence, and controls the day to day of anything that transpires in Washington, DC. If they want Podesta to go to prison, a phone call would do nicely, as above....
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Old 22nd Mar 2017, 20:39
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Nunes: Trump team communications captured by intel community

Members of the intelligence community "incidentally collected" communications from the Trump transition team during legal surveillance operations of foreign targets, a top Republican lawmaker said Wednesday afternoon.

House Intelligence Chairman Rep. Devin Nunes, R-Calif., said this produced "dozens" of reports which eventually unmasked several individuals’ identities and were "widely disseminated." He said none of the reports he had read mentioned Russia or Russians and he was unsure whether the surveillance occurred at Trump Tower -- as President Trump has suggested. Nunes also was unsure if then President-elect Trump was captured by the surveillance, which occurred in November, December and January.

“I recently confirmed on numerous occasions the intelligence community incidentally collected intelligence,” Nunes said...... Nunes said he told House Speaker Paul Ryan earlier Wednesday about his findings. He later said he briefed Trump, calling some of the collection "inappropriate."

Trump commented briefly afterward, saying he felt “somewhat” vindicated by Nunes’ comments. "There’s a lot of questions that I think his statement raises, and that I hope we can get to the bottom of,” White House Press Secretary Sean Spicer also said. He said the NSA had been "very helpful" during the investigation, however, he was unsure if "the FBI is going to comply."

Nunes said the surveillance collection was "legally collected foreign intelligence under FISA incidental collection." But Nunes said he was "alarmed" the intelligence "ended up in reporting channels and was widely disseminated."

It was previously reported that former National Security Adviser Michael Flynn was "unmasked" in this way, however, Nunes said "additional names" were unmasked as well. He said he didn't know what foreign intelligence value the surveillance had "and why people would need to know that about President-elect Trump and his transition team." Nunes did not identify which foreign targets were under surveillance.

Asked if he thought Trump was spied on, Nunes replied: "I'm not gonna get into legal definitions here, but clearly I have a concern".....

https://www.washingtonpost.com/power...=.409658e51226

House Intelligence Committee Chair Devin Nunes went to the White House on Wednesday afternoon to personally brief President Trump about intelligence he says he has seen regarding surveillance of foreign nationals during the presidential transition.

The surveillance could have inadvertently picked up the president or members of his transition team, the chairman said. “What I’ve read seems to me to be some level of surveillance activity, perhaps legal.

"I don’t know that it’s right,” Nunes said to reporters outside the White House. “I don’t know that the American people would be comfortable with what I’ve read. The president needs to know these intelligence reports are out there,” Nunes added. “I think the president is concerned, and he should be.”
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Old 22nd Mar 2017, 23:28
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What is it exactly that Manifort did that was illegal?
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Old 22nd Mar 2017, 23:33
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So Nunes is the only one publicly leaking intelligence data. By saying it had nothing to do with Russia indicates Trump and his advisors working with other hostile.
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Old 22nd Mar 2017, 23:45
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No answer for me Sultan? It's a tough one as there is no evidence of wrong doing.
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Old 23rd Mar 2017, 00:01
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oicur,

Once again, you display your anti-American, conspiracy theories while enjoying the employment opportunity of the US. Why do you find America so attractive when you plainly hate our system?

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Old 23rd Mar 2017, 00:20
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Orac,

What appears to have the Democrats knickers in a wad is someone "leaked" the information that Nunes took to the President.

The Democrat on the Committee is all incensed he did not get to see the material....but never uttered a peep when it was Bubba talking to the Lynch at Phoenix.

The Dems cannot get over their Unicorn Hunt disguised as the Russian's pulling Trump's strings has come up with nothing....no matter how much is leaked.

They care not to get to the bottom of the Leaks....so long as it benefits their Agenda.

We know for a fact....with no doubt whatsoever....multiple serious felonies have occurred due to the fact Flynn and now others have been "unmasked" (whether swept up legally or illegally) which is very much a violation of the Espionage Law.

I just once....want to see a Democrat stand shoulder to shoulder with a Republican and pursue such violations with equal vigor no matter who the culprits and victims are.....but then one day I might see a Purple Unicorn prances down Pennsylvania Avenue with Nancy Pelosi dressed as Lady Godiva.
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Old 23rd Mar 2017, 12:44
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Which is the bigger crime? The leaks or collusion with Russia to undermine the elections?
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Old 23rd Mar 2017, 13:11
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Rev, as usual your Strawman is in tatters!

Despite every effort....the evidence shows NO collusion.

On the other hand there is ample evidence to show patent felony violations by leakers.

So which is the reasonable path....keep saying there is collusion despite the lack of any evidence and statements to that effect by Rogers, Comey, and Clapper.....or investigating the Leaks that are Felony violations of the espionage Laws?
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Old 23rd Mar 2017, 14:53
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SAS,

I wonder why the FBI is still investigating allegations of collusion since you have clearly stated and I quote
Despite every effort....the evidence shows NO collusion.
I think a petition should be dispatched forthwith accusing the FBI of wasting public funds on an ONGOING investigation of collusion where SAS has found NO evidence.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-39331555
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Old 23rd Mar 2017, 15:23
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The FBI is doing what it is told to do. Comey is not in charge. Clapper and the old dogs at the company are in control.

Unelected, Unaccountable, and in complete authority. Ever so, at least since nine years before Eisenhower issued his prophetic warning re: "The Military Industrial Complex"

The Company wants Russia to assume most favored adversary status. Is that not apparent?
It may well be that there was activity to energize "Oppositional Action" against Hillary.

Oh the outrage! None of this would be necessary if Trump had signalled what the company assumed from Hillary, that she would be the compliant actor, and in return, reap obscene profit from foreign interests.

Absolutely none of this drama and high dudgeon would be happening, had Clinton won the election. Obamacare would have imploded, and we would get "single payer" Healthcare. Call it "Hillarycare" (redux).

Without the Press, the CIA would have a heavy slog.

My suggestion? Trump needs to summon Comey immediately to the White House. He demands the names of his people who are unmasked by Obama's people. He then fires these people, with prejudice. End of. Full Stop.

If he continues to play the victim, or the passive non actor, his Presidency will end badly.

Nixon did what Trump is doing now. Exactly.

(by the way, as if it matters, none of what Comey is doing rises to the level of sufficiency to demand Impeachment of the President).

There is no there there. But since when do the American people care about the Truth? They are in love instead with "reality".....
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Old 23rd Mar 2017, 16:38
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But since when do Trumpeteers care about the Truth? They are in love instead with "alternative facts".....
There, fixed it for you...
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Old 23rd Mar 2017, 17:06
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You keep thinking Rev....that is what you are good at!

Did Clapper not state he has seen no evidence of collusion?

Did not Admiral Rogers not state he has seen no evidence of collusion?

Did not Comey state he had seen no evidence of collusion?

Why single me out for the Petition.....why not Comey, Clapper, and Rogers?


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SAS,

I wonder why the FBI is still investigating allegations of collusion since you have clearly stated and I quote

I think a petition should be dispatched forthwith accusing the FBI of wasting public funds on an ONGOING investigation of collusion where SAS has found NO evidence.

Could FBI investigation into Russia links ensnare Trump? - BBC News
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Old 23rd Mar 2017, 17:15
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Endgame.

There is a bottom line.

1. The damage to the Clinton campaign, if real, was caused by her own emails.

2. How the emails came to be published seems to be the current "problem".

3. Collusion? That's interesting, because once obtained and published,

4. The emails are of record.

5. One cannot be slandered by the truth.

6. If the truth causes "damage" so be it.

What problem?

The longer the Dems pursue this, the more damage will be done to them.

Giving up now is impossible, they are in a death spiral.

Damned if you do.....damned if you don't. Buy stock in popcorn.....
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Old 23rd Mar 2017, 21:18
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A good explanation why chasing down the Leakers who illegally "unmasked" US Citizens. Of course that same attitude should apply to all leakers of Classified Information....be it Snowden, Wikileaks, or bitter former staffers of a political party.....or of a sitting party.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?annota...&v=TaGlZm_52dQ
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Old 23rd Mar 2017, 21:41
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Oh Gawd!!
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-38966846

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Old 24th Mar 2017, 01:11
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So what??

What is it with so many Americans that they have to be so openly hostile towards Russians?

Ethnically, religiously, . they are so much closer to Americans than Saudis for example. It can be shown that the Saudis were heavily involved with 9/11, yet the American Government still sells billions of dollars of latest technology arms and ammunition to them. Why???

When was the last time any Russian committed an act of terror on American soil?? was there ever even a last time?
 
Old 24th Mar 2017, 01:29
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I agree, when I first visited Russia, I couldn't believe we were actually enemies. That said, Russia has always been an expansionary empire, considers it self under threat by the West and Putin believes the fall of the USSR to be something that needs fixing. Do you really think, he'll be happy with taking SOME of the Ukraine?

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