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Old 21st Feb 2017, 13:44
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plus knowing how complicated his Return would be....who would understand it?
Coupla CPAs, no problem. "I guarantee there's no problem down there"

Meanwhile, out here in the real world:

Now General McMaster will become President Trump’s national-security adviser. And from McMaster’s Iraq experience, we can make two positive observations. First, he is willing to speak truth to power. Second, he embraces introspection as a useful tool rather than viewing it as a threat to ego. These qualities are desperately short in President Trump’s White House.
Indeed. More at the link:

Three Immediate Priorities for McMaster: How Trump’s new national-security adviser can reform and strengthen the NSC. -National Review (Conservative source)
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Old 21st Feb 2017, 14:20
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Trump's junta could do with considering Thomas Sowell's Law:

"For every expert, there is an equal and opposite expert, but for every fact there is not necessarily an equal and opposite fact"

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Old 21st Feb 2017, 14:54
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Here, financial arrangements that are kept secret, and which could render someone in government open to blackmail, in effect, would, I think, be unlawful, and most probably criminal.
For those who have to file Financial Disclosure Statements for Federal Office or Employment could a false statement be a criminal offense.

Popular opinion is about all that could affect the President in that regard due to the way the Laws are written and the Constitution.
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Old 21st Feb 2017, 16:15
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So, Mr Trump maintains his immigration ban on 7 countries is not aimed at Muslims. Fair enough. If he says, who am I to argue? How though would one explain this? A British teacher, leading a group of students on a visit to the USA was taken off his US bound flight at Reykjavik shortly before departure and given no reason at all. He was escorted off the flight by US Homeland Security officials and they gave no reasons either.
It was probably mere coincidence that this teacher's name is Mohammed and he looks a bit browner than I and many other UK citizens. Yeah! Sure it was!
His family originates from Bangladesh, although he was born in the UK and has never visited Bangladesh, let alone any of the 7 "named" countries. So, does this indicate the way forward for the "special relationship"? Natives of the UK can be hoiked off a flight to the US, despite holding a valid visa, for no apparent reason?
Sounds like a different special relationship to me, the one that goes "You play ball with me and I'll ram the bat up your arse".
Oh, and shame on the Iceland government to allow US Homeland Security officials to act like the village sheriff whiles in their country!
BBC: Muslim teacher denied entry to US 'not given reason' - BBC News
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Old 21st Feb 2017, 16:21
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And now for something entirely different.

A Safe Space" for those who have not come to terms with the election.

President Hillary Rodham Clinton
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Old 21st Feb 2017, 16:44
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A British teacher, leading a group of students on a visit to the USA was taken off his US bound flight at Reykjavik shortly before departure and given no reason at all. He was escorted off the flight by US Homeland Security officials and they gave no reasons either.
Hmmm. Since when do "US Homeland Security" officials have any kind of authority or jurisdiction in Iceland? And why did it take 5 days for the BBC to report this "news"? And since Trump's EO was stayed on Jan 28, it was not in effect over two weeks later when this event is supposed to have occurred. Mixed up facts, or yet more fake news?
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Old 21st Feb 2017, 17:14
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Hmmm. Since when do "US Homeland Security" officials have any kind of authority or jurisdiction in Iceland? And why did it take 5 days for the BBC to report this "news"? And since Trump's EO was stayed on Jan 28, it was not in effect over two weeks later when this event is supposed to have occurred. Mixed up facts, or yet more fake news?
Since when did the US Anything care about authority and jurisdiction in "foreign" countries?
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Old 21st Feb 2017, 17:22
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Hempy,

We could have juxtaposed Jefferson and Slick Willie of the Cigar.

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Old 21st Feb 2017, 18:00
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I reckon the Welsh Muslim maths teachers ban (phew).. will be for a previous drugs bust.
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Old 21st Feb 2017, 18:13
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I reckon the Welsh Muslim maths teachers ban (phew).. will be for a previous drugs bust.
Anecdotal evidence from acquaintances suggests that US Immigration have a significant amount of false info in their "no entry" list, and they, quite reasonably from their perspective, work on a "ban anyone who may possibly be a threat" principle, even if it's a case of a mistaken identity (which, it seems, it often is).

It seems far more likely that his name happens to be on the no-fly list as a result of a c o ck up, as that's been going on for years. The media may well be trying to link it to the travel ban order, which is suspended anyway, but that's just pure speculation, as no reason seems to have been given.
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Old 21st Feb 2017, 18:55
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I reckon the Welsh Muslim maths teachers ban (phew).. will be for a previous drugs bust.
If that were true he would never have received the multiple-visit visa which the story explicitly says he has.

Stop making stuff up - that's Spicer's job...

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Old 21st Feb 2017, 18:57
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US authorities have on-site immigration officials in many countries, just as we do in Calais (and for the same reason)

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Old 21st Feb 2017, 19:13
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Preclearance locations.

https://www.cbp.gov/border-security/...s/preclearance

For Ireland, Iceland - and London City Airport - its one of the advantages touted as an offset to the additional stop and delay as you can walk straight off the aircraft at the USA end in a domestic terminal.
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Old 21st Feb 2017, 19:53
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Originally Posted by VP959 View Post
Anecdotal evidence from acquaintances suggests that US Immigration have a significant amount of false info in their "no entry" list, and they, quite reasonably from their perspective, work on a "ban anyone who may possibly be a threat" principle, even if it's a case of a mistaken identity (which, it seems, it often is).

It seems far more likely that his name happens to be on the no-fly list as a result of a c o ck up, as that's been going on for years. The media may well be trying to link it to the travel ban order, which is suspended anyway, but that's just pure speculation, as no reason seems to have been given.
There are many reports over the last few years of very young kids being denied boarding, or at least being given a good work over. Seems the administrators of the no fly database didn't think to cover the eventuality of multiple people with the same name! Likely this is down to the same thing.
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Old 21st Feb 2017, 20:03
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There are hundreds, if not thousands, of duplicate names on the "no fly" and "no entry" lists which are inherently corrupt--no one is told of their listing, no challenge method, no getting removed from the list. I have several friends of Irish descent who were surprised to be on the "no fly" list. They is a redress procedure which leaves your name in the list, but a TSA Redress Number to prove you are "not the droid they're looking for". Absolutely insane process, which everyone wants to use for denying peopke their rights.

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Old 21st Feb 2017, 21:10
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Are the US authorities obliged to give this "Welsh" teacher any explanation for entry refusal? It is their country after all, and no-one has the right to go there.
If they don't want you, then maybe that is just tough.
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Old 21st Feb 2017, 21:33
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Good morning USA.
More entertainment in the offing I see.
So after the fiasco the last time - I wonder how this little boondoggle is going to shape up?
Possible mass removals?
This is just laughable - how are they going to make that work?
Settling back with my popcorn to watch Trump further demean a great office, and the standing of a great nation in the eyes of the world.
And welcome onboard Gen. McMaster.
You keep speaking truth to power sir - even if it means that muppet ends up firing you.

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Old 21st Feb 2017, 22:11
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No, not at all. It's absurd. They do seem to have to respond to US Citizens but sometimes that requires some political horsepower to force the issue. The folks I spoke of got a Congressman involved.

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Old 21st Feb 2017, 22:45
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Originally Posted by vapilot2004
Hempy, shame on you for using their words against them. We all know words have little meaning and truth is a mutable thing in this new century of 'alternative facts'.

Cue FDR concubine or Clinton cigar stories from the usual suspects...
Originally Posted by galaxy flyer
Hempy,

We could have juxtaposed Jefferson and Slick Willie of the Cigar.

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Old 21st Feb 2017, 23:19
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Are the US authorities obliged to give this "Welsh" teacher any explanation for entry refusal? It is their country after all, and no-one has the right to go there.
If they don't want you, then maybe that is just tough.
I agree wholeheartedly. What's with the, "Welsh" bollocks?

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