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Old 20th Feb 2017, 23:36
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Excellent discussion between Sam Harris and the conservative David Frum.

https://www.samharris.org/podcast/it...-all-cucks-now

For non U.S. residents I found this to be an excellent primer on the political landscape.

Definately a thinking man's glimpse at the question of why Vlad holds such a place of primacy in the thugocracy of today. I know I learned quite a bit.

Russia has dreamed ever since the end of world war 2 of severing Germany and Europe from the United States. Were it to do so, its influence would grow nearly without bound. Now it has the chance of doing so and Trump is the man to do it....maybe.

No one can seem to crack why The Donald is just so fond of the gent. Business? Blackmail?
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Old 21st Feb 2017, 00:28
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I challenge every Trump Basher that visits here and vents upon Trump's ties to Russia to read this HuffPo Article....every word of it....and consider what it has to say. You cannot challenge the Huffington Post as being a Right Wing Journal....as it surely is not.
I'll take that challenge. Do you consider the fact that the author (HA Goodman) has set up a You Tube shrine to vent his vitriolic loathing of Clinton might render him a tad biased?

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCDB...yqt-FTNdkzFN-A

He can be as biased as he likes under the (current) First Amendment, but it's not exactly a balanced view is it? He has some sort of psychotic episode going on for Bernie and against Hilary and that's fine, about 50% of voters decided they didn't like Hilary either, but he will either need to up his meds or gets some solid ECT before he can be a reliable character witness for the Russian State apparatus.
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Old 21st Feb 2017, 00:40
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What matters is what he says being true, accurate, and verifiable.....even if coming from some point of view you do not agree with. It is the information that should be analyzed and considered....even if you think the author needs psycho-analyzing.

For sure he is right on one thing......the Media screwed the pooch due to their bias over the past decade or more staring with Dan Blather's infamous attempt to throw an Election and what followed since then.

All I have ever asked is for the Media to use a balanced scale and hold ALL parties to the exact same standard....which we clearly know has not been the case. Even the NY Times Public Editor called his own Paper out for that in print.

Perhaps a bit of self introspection might be in order here too.

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/24/p...itor.html?_r=0
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Old 21st Feb 2017, 00:41
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Russia has suffered from repeated foreign invasions over the last century or so. The USA has suffered two major attacks on its home territories over the same period and has seized territory and established military bases across the world. Which country is paranoid?

If Donald Trump sees some way that the US and Russia can get together to challenge China and India in trade and business, then why not? Beats spending untold billions on armaments that both sides know can never really be used.
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Old 21st Feb 2017, 01:21
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G0ULI, please share with us how you'll use the Easy Button to solve the world's problems. Oh, wait, you are from a place that is neither an Empire nor a World Power anymore.

Is this just sour grapes? Y'all started the Great Game with the Russians in your Imperial heyday.
That you can't play it any more doesn't mean that the game has ended.
Other people have balls, shorts, shirts, shoes, and a pitch to play on.
So they do.
Order some more popcorn, and enjoy the show.
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Old 21st Feb 2017, 01:43
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Hang on a Mo.....Nixon made nice with China so we might have some help on that side of the USSR as you might recall. It also helped convince them to stick to Arm Waving and Yelling rather than sticking their thumb on the scale so much.

We made nice with the Stalin when it seemed the right thing to do as well.

Heck...we even snuggled up to Saddam Hussein as you remember.

Until Hillary and Obama went for a walk on the wild side in Egypt and Libya....we made nice with Qadaffi and Murarak.

The Shah of Iran was not exactly a School Boy but we latched onto him.

Granted the map drawing in the Middle East could have gone a bit better had our Cousins done a wiser job of it too....but that is what it is.

For sure the Empire has shrunk a bit since the day of the Raj but the Brits do throw their figurative weight about still in European circles.....ooops....sorryo....I forgot about Brexit.

Isn't the old saying...."Keep your friends close.....and your enemies closer!".

Perhaps that is why Trump made really nice with the British PM and is trying to a bit less rude to Putin.
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Old 21st Feb 2017, 02:27
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Everyone laughed when I posted that Trump was likely to become they next President of the US, but I've watched the guy on TV for years and actually quite liked the (perhaps scripted) straight talking. If I was a US citizen, I'd have voted for him.

I am enjoying watching the liberals squirm from this side of the pond, even my wife has become fascinated by current US politics and she hates all politicians.

Donald Trump is something new on the political scene. Will any of his schemes work out? Well he is facing some pretty hard core opposition from the establishment with all their vested interests, but I suspect that once he manages to learn a few political dirty tricks to go along with his business skills, it might all turn out okay. Either way, it makes fascinating entertainment.
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Old 21st Feb 2017, 05:16
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Originally Posted by G0ULI
I am enjoying watching the liberals squirm
From what I can gather, apart from the fear factor* that pretty much sums up the Trump appeal. Some might call it myopic and self centred, others just call it 'conservative'. I wonder what would need to happen for 'he has my support because the liberals hate him' to become 'ok, maybe this wasn't such a great idea after all'. Given the hubris, I imagine it'd have to be pretty bad.

Personally though, as long as he keeps my country out of it he can fill his boots. From the sidelines it's like watching a train wreck on tv; you know it's not going to ugly, but it's perversely captivating and it's only on the television after all.


*I don't blame Trump for using fear mongering as a political tool btw, it's been used by both sides of American political divide for decades. That it is so effective says more about the American psyche than it does about the scruples of those who rely on it.





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Old 21st Feb 2017, 06:09
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Trump names H.R. McMaster new national security adviser

PALM BEACH, Fla. — President Donald Trump has tapped Army Lt. Gen. H.R. McMaster as his new national security adviser, replacing the ousted Michael Flynn..........

Trump says retired Army Lt. Gen. Keith Kellogg who had been his acting adviser, will now serve as the National Security Council's chief of staff. He also said he would be asking John Bolton, a former U.S. ambassador to the United Nations, to work with them in a "somewhat different capacity."........

National security experts on both sides of the aisle praised McMaster's selection as Trump's new national security adviser.

"McMaster is an absolutely brilliant choice," said Michael O'Hanlon, of the left-leaning Brookings Institution think tank. "Quite possibly the single most talented three-star [general] in the U.S. military today. He is accomplished across wide domains of military operations as well as integrated political-military challenges like counterinsurgency warfare in general, and fighting corruption in Afghanistan in particular. He is affable and charming but not afraid to challenge and provoke. Yet in the end, he has great judgment. For whatever reason, Trump continues to choose great people in his national security team. Whether the chemistry between the president and his adviser will be good, I can't say -- I only know one of the two gentlemen. But H.R. is a force of nature and a national treasure -- and a very likeable person."

Likewise, Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., called McMaster "an outstanding choice" to be the next national security adviser.

"I have had the honor of knowing him for many years, and he is a man of genuine intellect, character, and ability," McCain said in a statement on Monday. "He knows how to succeed. I give President Trump great credit for this decision, as well as his national security cabinet choices. I could not imagine a better, more capable national security team than the one we have right now.”

It was a sentiment shared by Rep. Devin Nunes, R-Calif., chairman of the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence.

"I congratulate Lt. Gen. McMaster on his appointment as National Security Adviser," Nunes said in a statement on Sunday. "With his history of questioning the status quo and infusing fresh thinking and new approaches into military affairs, Lt. Gen. McMaster will make a fine addition to the Trump Administration's national security team."
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Old 21st Feb 2017, 09:51
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Originally Posted by Uncle Fred View Post
Excellent discussion between Sam Harris and the conservative David Frum.

https://www.samharris.org/podcast/it...-all-cucks-now

For non U.S. residents I found this to be an excellent primer on the political landscape.

Definately a thinking man's glimpse at the question of why Vlad holds such a place of primacy in the thugocracy of today. I know I learned quite a bit.

Russia has dreamed ever since the end of world war 2 of severing Germany and Europe from the United States. Were it to do so, its influence would grow nearly without bound. Now it has the chance of doing so and Trump is the man to do it....maybe.

No one can seem to crack why The Donald is just so fond of the gent. Business? Blackmail?
Thanks very much for posting this, you are right, for those of us not in the US it was a bit of an eye-opener, even allowing for bias.

When I'd picked my jaw back off the floor, some things in that interview did leave me wondering as to their truth. If it is true that the new President's businesses are heavily bankrolled by countries like China and Russia, as David Frum seemed to be implying, with a fair degree of confidence, and if it's also true that he has still refused to release his tax returns, then why on earth hasn't someone done something about it?

We've had pretty big scandals here about politicians being less than forthcoming about things like taxes, expenses, additional income and declarations of interest, often uncovered by journos. I'm frankly a bit amazed that no investigative journo hasn't come up with credible evidence to support some of the things David Frum revealed in that podcast interview, and that, in turn, makes me doubt whether it has any real credibility. After all, it seems that some in the MSM would like nothing better than to come up with a dossier of evidence that would discredit the new President, and they've had plenty of time to dig out information, I'd have thought.
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Old 21st Feb 2017, 10:41
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Talking about interference in the Presidential election and collaboration within the political parties.........

SNAFU!: THe other country that interrered in our election in 2017.

Oh, KnC mentioned Sweden. Mass rioting on the streets and the police firing live warning shots, does that meet the criteria? "Arab Lives Matter" no doubt. MSM didn't report it - so it didn't happen.........


Opptøyer i Sverige - Opptøyer i Stockholm. Politiet «skjøt for å treffe»: -Det ser ut som en krigssone her - Dagbladet
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Old 21st Feb 2017, 10:47
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Happy Presidents Day

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Old 21st Feb 2017, 10:58
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Hard to believe the two men are of the same party. They certainly were not cut from the same cloth - of this there can be no doubt.

Hempy, shame on you for using their words against them. We all know words have little meaning and truth is a mutable thing in this new century of 'alternative facts'.

Cue FDR concubine or Clinton cigar stories from the usual suspects...

Originally Posted by SASless View Post
What matters is what he says being true, accurate, and verifiable....


Oh, really?
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Old 21st Feb 2017, 11:12
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Good old Abe could have taught Donald a trick or two.......

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Old 21st Feb 2017, 11:32
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Originally Posted by ORAC View Post
Talking about interference in the Presidential election and collaboration within the political parties.........

SNAFU!: THe other country that interrered in our election in 2017.

Oh, KnC mentioned Sweden. Mass rioting on the streets and the police firing live warning shots, does that meet the criteria? "Arab Lives Matter" no doubt. MSM didn't report it - so it didn't happen.........


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...which happened yesterday, several days AFTER Trumpy Mc Trumpface talked about events in Sweden "last night".

Are you suggesting that Trump has difficulty with the concept of time?

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Old 21st Feb 2017, 11:37
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if it's also true that he has still refused to release his tax returns, then why on earth hasn't someone done something about it?
There is nothing to be done about it....no law requires the President or Presidential Candidate release copies of his Tax Returns....plus knowing how complicated his Return would be....who would understand it?

Also, consider there is no Background Check required for a President....as he is the final Clearing Authority on all Classified Information. Apply that thought to Hillary Clinton becoming President with Hubby Bill's involvement in shady deals all around the World with his Speaking Fees and donations to the Clinton Foundation.

The concept is the President is elected by the People.....and as a result we have to put a lot of trust in the People's decision I reckon....be it good or bad.
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Old 21st Feb 2017, 11:44
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...which happened yesterday, several days AFTER Trumpy Mc Trumpface talked about events in Sweden "last night". Are you suggesting that Trump has difficulty with the concept of time?
No, but Trump didn't mention a specific event - just that people look at the state of what is happening in Sweden - and was not reported on the MSM. The responses suggested all was lightness and happiness and he was making it up.

As I have posted previously, the items unreported on the MSM outside Sweden on the previous day were the murder of the main suspect in the internecine Arab attack where an 8 year old was killed by a hand grenade through a living room window - and the life sentence for an asylum seeker for the war crime of mass murder in Syria. Good that someone did some research and found out, but they still have to pick up the cost for the rest of his life....
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Old 21st Feb 2017, 11:50
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There is nothing to be done about it....no law requires the President or Presidential Candidate release copies of his Tax Returns....plus knowing how complicated his Return would be....who would understand it?

Also, consider there is no Background Check required for a President....as he is the final Clearing Authority on all Classified Information. Apply that thought to Hillary Clinton becoming President with Hubby Bill's involvement in shady deals all around the World with his Speaking Fees and donations to the Clinton Foundation.

The concept is the President is elected by the People.....and as a result we have to put a lot of trust in the People's decision I reckon....be it good or bad.
I was aware of the way Presidential elections are run, and wholeheartedly agree with the principle that it should the decision of the people. I also share your concerns over the unsuitability for office of Clinton.

However, there appear to be significant international implications here. The claimed $900M mortgage from China and the suggestion that a great deal of his business's money comes from Russia, would seem to raise questions as to how influential those business arrangements may be when it comes to making foreign policy decisions. I understand that the UK and US are very, very different when it comes to concerns over influence, and that does colour my view, I'm sure. Here, financial arrangements that are kept secret, and which could render someone in government open to blackmail, in effect, would, I think, be unlawful, and most probably criminal.
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Old 21st Feb 2017, 11:56
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No, but Trump didn't mention a specific event - just that people look at the state of what is happening in Sweden
The actual verbatim quote (my emphasis):

Originally Posted by Trumpy
"You look at what's happening in Germany. You look at what's happening last night in Sweden"
So that's factually incorrect, like pretty well everything that the whole trump phenomenon is based on. That's why anyone of any integrity will not associate with this scumbag or any of his administration.

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Old 21st Feb 2017, 12:19
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"Last night in Sweden" was only what you HEARD PDR, you must LISTEN, you will then apparently understand.
Or was it the other way around? Hear, not listen?
I'm easily confused, I'll go chop down some trees instead.
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