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Old 14th Feb 2017, 20:30
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Even more interesting ...
entirely self serving by a pot calling kettle inmate.
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Old 14th Feb 2017, 21:04
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The real question is why is Flynn being snooped on by the intelligence services? And it being leaked to WaPo.

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Old 14th Feb 2017, 21:08
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Originally Posted by lomapaseo View Post
entirely self serving by a pot calling kettle inmate.
Used to know one of those folks socially, degrees up and down the wall.
Mentally stable would be the last descriptor.
Never seen so many folks trying so hard to discredit someone who beat the establishment et al, somebody must be standing to lose an awful lot of power and money if he succeeds.

I watch with interest.
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Old 14th Feb 2017, 21:20
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Flynn was not being snooped on. The Russian Ambassador was being snooped on. Flynn was just stupid - especially for someone who had been Head of the DIA. Says a lot for Trump in his choices for high office.
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Old 14th Feb 2017, 21:20
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By your definition the whole administration starting with Trumpet has to go because they have repeatedly lied to the Boss - the American people.
Using alternative facts is NOT lying!

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Old 14th Feb 2017, 21:42
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25 days in and just what has he accomplished so far?
One hell of a lot of chaos.
Many, many selective questioner press conferences.
Probably raised twitter share prices.
Improved SNLs ratings.
Pissed off a few fellow world leaders and shared formal great and amazing platitudes at podiums with others.
Had a lot of photo ops where he showed off his signature.
Pissed off a bunch of judges.
Appointed a few goofs.
Bunted at least one EO.
Demonstrated his inability to tie a tie properly.


Don't get me wrong, I preferred him over Hills.


But, really, it's time to get down to some meaningful, well thought out, business.
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Old 14th Feb 2017, 22:07
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Ah, so it's OK to lie to the public (via press conferences or Twitter or whatever) but not OK to lie to "vetting investigators".
Well as SASLess should be able to confirm - lying to the FBI agents who were conducting the vetting investigation is actually a felony, so we could be seeing Flynn behind bars.

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Old 14th Feb 2017, 22:22
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Then Hillary would be wearing prison garb....


As would Bill
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Old 14th Feb 2017, 22:39
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Seems folks are conveniently overlooking THE STORY.....which is why folks in the Government with access to very highly classified material are leaking it to the Media. That far transcends Flynn's lying to the Vice President. That is a story....that needs discussing by the Media but of course they do not want to get into the Leaking Story do they?

You reckon if this had happened six months ago....in the Obama Administration it would even have garnered a mention?

Let's not get stuck on Stupid....the compromise of the fact the US Intelligence Service(s) were eavesdropping on the Russian Ambassador is not something that should have been leaked.

That the Russian Ambassador ever thought outside of very secure locations he would could/would be listened in on is no surprise goes without saying...as I am quite sure they are as Security conscious as they can be.

That Flynn did not grasp that he had enemies inside the administration/bureaucracy and that his conversation(s) with the Russian Ambassador would be monitored by US Intelligence....makes one wonder just what he was thinking.....or smoking.

Following up on David Petraeus and his cock up....errrrr....misjudgement....it makes One wonder why Army General's do the things they do so often.

Now....it is time for a proper Skunk Roast when the Leaker(s) to the Media get found out! Dirty politics is one thing....played behind closed doors but causing the Country's National Security interests harm is totally inexcusable.

To put it in perspective.....a Navy Submariner takes some photos of a Classified Space on a Sub and he goes to Prison....an honest mistake that did not result in a compromise of sensitive classified information and collection techniques.

Care to bet no one goes to Prison over this?
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Old 14th Feb 2017, 22:56
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Another gaffe was the inaugural crowd photo with the wrong date on it. Photo has the 21st January!

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...008704/photo/1



Nobody picked up on the date and the picture was hung. If only the reporter had been switched on at 4 mins.

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Old 14th Feb 2017, 22:58
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The intelligence community is called a community for reason--omertà. The leaker served their purpose--get at Trump by taking a hostage. Trimp needs to get a scalp from the IC soon.

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Old 15th Feb 2017, 01:55
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Care to bet no one goes to Prison over this?
No bet - after all, Flynn was interviewed by the FBI 2 weeks ago on the subject. If he gave them the same "Flynn Facts" he gave to Pence et al, that's a felony.

Trimp (sic) needs to get a scalp from the IC soon
Absolutely! Putin would have one by now. Or at least a dead body on a dark street corner somewhere.
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Old 15th Feb 2017, 01:55
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Any suggestions that there was some kind of major program compromise is being emotional and reactionary and not at all in service of the truth. (Must have something to do with Trump's administration already starting to decompose before our very eyes, causing some to panic and react to their beloved racist in chief's conundrum of his own making.) Monitoring embassy and diplomatic communications is nearly as old as the CIA itself. Everyone knows this including the Russians.

The surprising bit is why didn't Flynn, an intelligence man himself, know of the likelihood of his own government being privy to his (treasonous?) transgressions? Pure incompetence and if some members (GOP and Democrats) in Congress have their way, possibly high crimes will be added in, including a full investigation into who knew what, when.

I do not believe for a minute that Trump was unaware of Flynn's conversations with the Russian foreign minister, although the Bible-thumping doughboy and gay-hating, end-times believing VP, was most likely not on the inside of this caper.

Care to bet no one goes to Prison over this?
With Trump appointee Sessions heading the DOJ, and the GOP in control of the investigative committees in Congress, I'd say there's less than a fifty-fifty chance this even gets investigated properly, let alone making it to the indictment phase. Too many Trumpets and morally fouled folks in the way, although I wouldn't bet against Director Comey making another surprising and unprecedented move.

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Old 15th Feb 2017, 02:07
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Then Hillary would be wearing prison garb....


As would Bill
FBI file vault on Clinton Email Investigation - where they found no crimes committed. Bill was not questioned by the FBI regarding details of the presidential blow job, only a prurient and partisan Congressional committee - and the media, both of which he should have told them all to, in true Cheney-esque style, 'go fack themselves'.

No dream is too big, no challenge is to great. Nothing we want for the future is beyond our reach.”


Photo and bad grammar courtesy, the morons running our government. Must be the same team that hastily scratched out the (now moot) Muslim ban EO.
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Old 15th Feb 2017, 02:12
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vapilot,

Whoa, big boy! If Flynn was acting as a private citizen, which appears to be the case, a wiretap would require a FISA warrant from the court. If the Russian embassy was being surveilled as routine, any conversation of a US citizen heard without the warrant should have been suppressed. In either case, the fruit of the wiretap could NOT be released leagally thru a leak.. The leaker should be found and indicted, if anyone is.

What we have here is the IC and the media trying to undermine a legitimately elected government.

GF
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Old 15th Feb 2017, 02:14
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Its time to grab a spot on the couch and get some popcorn, this is going to get interesting.

Trump and Flynn and several other key players in the Bannon administration have demonstrated a commitment to going off script, to ignoring the rules as written by the deep state. A big part of this departure is the effort to cozy up to Russia.

The rebels just got a warning shot across the bow from those that sign the checks and as Kennedy found out, this can be a big mistake.

Let the games begin.
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Old 15th Feb 2017, 02:28
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In either case, the fruit of the wiretap could NOT be released leagally thru a leak.. The leaker should be found and indicted, if anyone is.
GF, so predictable. You must have your president's twitter on blast at home:

The real story here is why are there so many illegal leaks coming out of Washington? Will these leaks be happening as I deal on N.Korea etc?
Or perhaps Faux News:
Lawmakers Eye Illegal Leaks

It's interesting Trump mentions security concerns when his handling of the nuclear missile threat by NK was on full display between the iceberg lettuce wedge (what no kale?) and the palate cleansing aspic at TrumPus' Mal a Lago (bad lake) dining room. Also, in another irony in the world of alternative facts, the juiciest leaks out of Washington these days are coming from Trump's own White House staff - where their incompetence, pettiness, and horse hockey, bush league tactics have been exposed.


Leaks exposing corruption and lies...Depends on your priorities, I suppose. Presidential campaign staff and top member of the highest group focused on US Security, the National Security Advisor, in touch with a sworn enemy of the United States, outside of normal channels, and caught lying about it, or the whistleblowing leaks by patriots that are leading the way to the investigation thereof.

What we have here is the IC and the media trying to undermine a(n) illegitimately elected government.
Fixed that for ya. To wit:

... and meanwhile:

Washington: Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (Republican) said Tuesday it's "highly likely" the Senate intelligence committee will investigate former National Security Adviser Michael Flynn's discussions with the Russian ambassador.

"I think the fundamental question for us is what is our involvement in it, and who ought to look at it," the Kentucky Republican said. "And the intelligence committee is already looking at Russian involvement in our election. As Sen. (Roy) Blunt (Republican) has already indicated, it is highly likely they will want to take look at this episode as well. They have the broad jurisdiction to do it."

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Old 15th Feb 2017, 02:58
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“A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to fear.”


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Old 15th Feb 2017, 03:10
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Why illegimate? They didn't win the election under the Constitutional rules? That's fake news, right there, vapilot2004.

Oicur12,

The "deep state" needs to go and government accountable to the voters, not the government accountable to the deep state. It's the "deep state" that crested do many government malfunctions. Heck, they even killed JFK and ousted Nixon. How's that for conspiracy theory?

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Old 15th Feb 2017, 03:12
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What we have here is the IC and the media trying to undermine a(n) illegitimately elected government.

VAP,

I have a hard time with your pure hatred towards the current administration. To "fix" a statement as you did above implies that all of our elections up to now have been illegitimate, as each and every one has been governed by the same rules.
I have no dog in this fight, however your fixation with Hillary's loss would tend to make one wonder what did the result cost you, influence, stature, money?
The only times I have seen invective such as yours, at least one of the three has been the reason.

The only person that can make one mad is looking back in the mirror.

I am genuinely curious where such abject hatred stems from.
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