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Old 2nd Feb 2017, 10:28
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Mac,

hear, hear.
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Old 2nd Feb 2017, 11:19
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Thanks Mac. A lot of truth in what you posted good sir.
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Old 2nd Feb 2017, 12:12
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You have a lot to learn about Teddy. How about his central role in the Spanish-American War which turned the US into a colonial power? How about taking over Panama, building a canal without Congress being on board? He makes Trump look good. TR was a nasty example of the GOP and politician's abuse of power to glorify themselves. Read up on Democrat Grover Cleveland who blocked the colonial instincts of TR. TR gave us Wilson who was a dictator in costume and a race-baiting Virginian at that.

As to robber barons--they built much of what is America. Carnegie opposed the US becoming a colonial power, built thousands of local libraries, and produced the steel that made us.

Again, history doesn't have agency, people and leaders make things happen, not history. I've read three bios of John Marshall, the example of what the SCOTUS is, you don't get sarcasm, do you? But they got a lot of the e onomic cases wrong, imho, Wickard and, more recently, Chevron.

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Old 2nd Feb 2017, 13:00
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Never mind that all that, we're here as an ever faithful 'LAP dog' of the us, just as john howard would have wanted it!!!....you just tell us what senseless & inane conflict you want us to contiribute troops to and we're there!!!

It's what we do!! We ALWAYS Have!

We always have done so ......so perhaps....hear us out? on the phone?...maybe..?

Nah, ok being silly now!! You just dictate to your allies.....That's how it should work!!...we're bent over!..did you bring the lube???...or do we need supply that as well?

Thanks ever so much for so long of co-operation!!
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Old 2nd Feb 2017, 13:31
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.... In short, it's a travel ban that is, however, not a travel ban.
I wouldn't argue against the words used above ... however there is a missing clause that defines "conditions" surrounding the usage.

It is interesting to see the press encourage the ignorant to simplify the discussion while ignoring the conditions.

Looks like names will be taken on both sides as we go forward.

Somewhere in all this there is a balance but Trump can't manage the words as others add fuel to the fire. We need some lucid figure-heads to find the words that overide his twitty musings with explanations. Of course even that won't work if he keeps twitting and the press keep biting for headlines.
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Old 2nd Feb 2017, 13:35
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In my view a deal is a deal unless it violates the current laws in a country.

Somehow this will get worked out so lets wait and see
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Old 2nd Feb 2017, 14:59
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Mac,

Little to argue with in your post.

One small correction is in order....it was Henry Ford...not the Unions that created the 40 Hour work week and decent wages although it wasn't out of the kindness of his Heart....it was to get better productivity and a workforce that could buy the product they were building thus being a form of advertising.

The Democrat Party has been taken over by Liberal Progressives....who are well out of the mainstream despite their deluded thinking they ARE the mainstream.

The Republican Party Leadership itself has shifted Left....and have actively worked against the interests and desires of its Base Voter.

Young people are exactly like all young folks have been...including You and I....over time we grow more wise as we age and get a better view of how Life really works. They too shall one day shift to the Right from the Left leaning views they have. It gets harder to make the shift due to system of education in this country that poisons young minds throughout their time in School.

As to Bannon....everyone has their own Agenda.

Even Trump's Agenda is going to get altered when reality of modern day politics, the way government works, and world events happen that will certainly drive the path he has to walk.

He is seeing that already....as his Executive Order on Immigration although well intended has run up on the rocks of reality....that something that starts off badly only gets worse with effort.

At least finally we are seeing a full discussion of issues going on....most of which is over the top and some just plain silly but at least people are becoming engaged.

That is a good thing.

As much as I cringe when I hear the News Reports saying "Trump has Tweeted...." at least he is using a medium that will connect to millions of folks that would not otherwise know he exists. How he uses that medium is going to be interesting....if he does not get himself Impeached over something he says in a Tweet one day.
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Old 2nd Feb 2017, 15:27
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Originally Posted by SASless View Post

At least finally we are seeing a full discussion of issues going on....most of which is over the top and some just plain silly but at least people are becoming engaged.

That is a good thing.
Maybe so - but as we saw last night at UC Berkeley many on the liberal left are not interested in free speech and a discussion with people who hold opposing views - they simply want to shut them down using violence if necessary.

How different from the 60's at Berkeley where the students agitated for freedom of speech and The Free Speech Movement started.
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Old 2nd Feb 2017, 15:35
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Sean Spicer seems to be in over his head.
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Old 2nd Feb 2017, 15:39
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Every Press Secretary since Dana Perino has been in over their Heads!

Look back at Obama's Baghdad Bob's....how they slept at night knowing the lying they were doing defeats me.

Spicer is new...and understandably has a very steep learning curve ahead of him in that the Media is not going to give him any quarter and his Boss is not exactly un-controversial in his word and deed as you might have noticed.

At least he has the courage to go into that Lion's Den each day.....at least give him credit for that.



Jet....if you are looking for an argument you will have to go somewhere else.....as I am of the Three Foot Hickory Riot Stick (backed up with Shotguns, Tear Gas, and Bean Bags) School of Applied Psychology.

As long as they are peaceful in their Protest....in the past I walked along with them carrying a Gas mask and Riot Stick....and protected them from those who differed with their views.

That being said....when that first Brick went through a Shop Window and the Chief ordered us to clear the Streets....we did.

In my Days as a Plod....violence was not acceptable no matter how strongly one felt in voicing one's views.

We need to get back to that....bringing back the concept of peaceful protest and having zero tolerance for violent rioting....as there is a distinct difference between the two.
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Old 2nd Feb 2017, 15:44
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Are you saying you support Yiannopoulos' views?
Nope. But I DO support allowing him to express his views. It's so sad (and yet so very typical) that Leftists have no clue what "freedom of speech" means and who it applies to.
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Old 2nd Feb 2017, 15:52
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We don't care Hillary lost. She wasn't electable. Most of us knew that. We care our country is being represented by a poorly educated, personality-disordered Narcissist. Let's hope he doesn't bring down the world before he's deposed.
And there it is. The Left's true character slides out from under the rock. The rule of law be damned, democracy be damned, the guy we don't like must be "removed by force" and the sooner the better.

Definition, depose: v. To remove from office suddenly by force.
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Old 2nd Feb 2017, 16:05
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The Berkeley protest was, in fact, peaceful. Until about 150 anarchists who are not from the community came and started the violence. I know that no one on the right would do such a thing. They just go and shoot up mosques and fire bomb them.
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Old 2nd Feb 2017, 16:09
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Oh, a little touchy I see.
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Old 2nd Feb 2017, 16:21
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Saying the Protest was peaceful until.... is like saying "Other than that Mrs. Lincoln...how was the Play?".
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Old 2nd Feb 2017, 16:33
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History, no agency

A student at Berkeley in 1968. Milo's counterpart was a gent named Mario Savio. The "Free Speech Movement" by name. My roomie was called up by the guard and carried a rifle on Telegraph Avenue, pointing it at his friends, and peers.

He marched with Wally Cleaver, (Tony Dow), also called up to shut down the ruffians at Sather Gate.

Evil personified was Richard Daley, mayor of Chicago, and Lyndon Johnson, whom some of us were convinced orchestrated the murder of our hero, in Dallas.

A joint got you two years in State Prison, a mug of beer at Larry Blake's got you laid....

Jeez, the quality of protests these days. It's embarasking, Miss Oyl.....
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Old 2nd Feb 2017, 16:34
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MarcK, how dare you inject inconvenient facts and couter-arguments into the wingbats' narrative? Next you'll be telling us O'Reilly's talking points are not coming down graven from Mount Sinai!!!
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Old 2nd Feb 2017, 16:56
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The Berkeley protest was, in fact, peaceful. Until about 150 anarchists who are not from the community came and started the violence.
It wasn't us, it was them!! Isn't it interesting how violent Anarchists tend to show up at so many "peaceful" Leftist protests. Odd, that.

I know that no on on the right would do such a thing. They just go and shoot up mosques and fire bomb them.
Oh my.
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Old 2nd Feb 2017, 17:07
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My point being (I know you won't understand) that extremists on both sides do not necessarily represent the majority on each side. But that would shake your world view.
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Old 2nd Feb 2017, 17:23
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Well SASless, you are mostly right when you say that people tend to shift from the Right to the Left as they get older. I am no longer the firebrand that I was in my teens and early twenties.

But I am now angrier, that the promises that we all hoped for have failed.

In my country we are ruled by a revolutionary party that I supported, which has turned into a vile kleptocracy - in many ways we have gone backwards instead for forwards. The Nationalists, despite their foul apartheid, never stole from the public purse nearly as extensively or as shamelessly as the ANC. And never was cronyism and exploitation as high. The Unions have been castrated and now do nothing for their members apart from collect their contributions from the meager salaries they earn - I know because I have treated thousands of injured-on-duty patients whose union representatives are more keen on getting them to sign a company indemnity form before the ambulance arrives than in looking after their members. But this is Africa, where one expects such things, not America.

Now Trump says that, "Religious Americans also feel threatened within the U.S. That is why I will get rid of and totally destroy the Johnson Amendment,” a provision of the tax code that prohibits religious leaders and institutions endorsing or opposing political candidates, “and allow our representatives of faith to speak freely and without fear of retribution.”

Where will that lead? And what about the separation of Government from the Church which the founding fathers saw so important that they codified it into the Constitution?

I somehow rather doubt that will be applied across all faiths.

Faugh! It makes me sick to see what has happened to the USA, a country that I love dearly, where I have many friends and where I found incredible warmth and hospitality hitch-hiking across as a boy.

To Mr Trump I can only echo the words of Joseph Welch to Senator McCarthy during the Army/McCarthy Hearings, "You have done enough. Have you no sense of decency, sir, at long last? Have you left no sense of decency?"

Great words by a great American in the face of demagoguery - I fear we shall not hear the like again.

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