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Old 29th Nov 2016, 01:37
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SASless,
Vague, but I know what you are thinking. He was probably a Democrat.

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Old 29th Nov 2016, 02:36
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G-CPTN,

Your Post is too accurate....except it is not just the the Media that did not wait for the Facts to catch up with their commentary about this disturbance in Ohio!

I saw a news report about the Ohio incident which described the miscreant as a 'gunman' - despite him using his car and a butcher's knife.

Tim Kaine, our erstwhile Vice President also could not wait to decry "Gun Violence" upon first hearing of the incident.

Failed Dem. VP Candidate Tim Kaine Tweets Against 'Gun Violence' After OSU Knife Attack - Breitbart
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Old 29th Nov 2016, 04:13
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Breitbart. Sheesh.
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Old 29th Nov 2016, 05:12
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https://mobile.twitter.com/timkaine?p=s

Breitbart. Sheesh.
You seem to have a burr in your saddle about reading Kaine's tweets off Breitbart. You can read the exact same tweets on twitter itself should you doubt the veracity of the tweets.
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Old 29th Nov 2016, 07:30
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West Coast, citing Breitbart is in the same pot as The Daily Mail or The National Enquirer. They get it right sometimes. I don't follow Twitter, so I can't judge.

You have to admit Trump's cabinet choices are, ahem, in keeping with his character and not necessarily for the betterment of our Country.

I was certainly no fan of Hillary's. I blame her for the rise of Trump. She was unelectable. I believe we are doomed.
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Old 29th Nov 2016, 08:33
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As an Aussie with no particular Dog in this fight;

She was unelectable. I believe we are doomed.
Yes to the first comment.

No to the second.

Let's wait and see but I think the Trump naysayers have a surprise coming.

If in four years I am proved wrong, I shall admit this.
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Old 29th Nov 2016, 08:55
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Old 29th Nov 2016, 12:19
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The Left doesn't like the truth....especially if it comes from a non-Left site.

That it is rare for a Leftist Site ever to contain the truth of any matter is not subject for debate based upon the past Election cycle where we have seen the Leftist's in full gear. We saw how that turned out for them in the Polls and Media Coverage that got it exactly wrong when the People spoke by Voting the way they did.

That Breitbart posts the actual Tweets....and accurately reports the response by others to include sources very comfortably from the "Left"....escapes some folks.

As a Criminal/Counter-Intelligence Investigator....I did not care how or where i got information....so long as it was true, accurate, and verifiable.

All we have to do is refer to Alinsky's Rules to understand why some find it so hard to do that. They have fallen prey to propaganda of the Left which so often incorporates those Rules in the way they spin reality.


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Old 29th Nov 2016, 14:43
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Originally Posted by Dea Certe View Post
You have to admit Trump's cabinet choices are, ahem, in keeping with his character and not necessarily for the betterment of our Country.
What's wrong with Mattis for Sec Def? For that matter, what's wrong with Mitt for Secretary of State (if he accepts)?

Won't comment on others, but I suppose I need to follow that more closely. Mr Trump has hopefully sobered up (my father's term in a phone call this past weekend) and realized that running for President and actually doing the job are two different things. To get the job done he needs a good team, and he needs to find a way to make deals with both houses of Congress.

Doomed? Too early to call.
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Old 29th Nov 2016, 14:55
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Originally Posted by SASless View Post
As a Criminal/Counter-Intelligence Investigator....I did not care how or where i got information....so long as it was true, accurate, and verifiable.
It's like Walter Mitty was in the rooom!

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Old 29th Nov 2016, 15:06
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Originally Posted by PDR1 View Post
It's like Walter Mitty was in the rooom!

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You may not be aware that SASless, in his younger days, was in law enforcement for a while and IIRC was also a Federal Agent. Posts referencing this experience have been made by our friend on this very forum (JB) in the past.
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Old 29th Nov 2016, 15:44
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I find it difficult to reconcile that with the expressed view:

I did not care how or where i got information....so long as it was true, accurate, and verifiable
This runs counter to the colonial legal issues surrounding the need for probable cause and the concept of "fruit of the poisoned vine". So perhaps he got carried away with his rhetoric and needs to be a little more selective as to his chosen speaking oriface - or perhaps he was just that kind of law officer and was lucky to escape discovery.

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Old 29th Nov 2016, 16:02
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Play the ball, not the man PDR. Whatever happened to reasoned, respectable debate?
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Old 29th Nov 2016, 16:39
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I take the view that SASless opened that particular door when he started a post with

Originally Posted by SASless
The Left doesn't like the truth...
That doesn't really hack it as ball-play, you know...

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Old 29th Nov 2016, 16:46
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I find it difficult to reconcile that with the expressed view
What he said makes great sense to an investigator.
so long as it was true, accurate, and verifiable:
You then spout off with this.
This runs counter to the colonial legal issues surrounding the need for probable cause and the concept of "fruit of the poisoned vine".
It can't be the fruit of a poison tree if it is true, accurate, and verifiable when you are INVESTIGATING something.

You seem to be mistaking an investigation process with the activities in a court room where evidence is assessed and challenged as part of the structured game that is the adversarial system of justice as practiced by lawyers. As to your red herring about probably cause, that has NOTHING to do with facts and sources if they are Accurate, True, and Verifiable. You don't usually start an investigation until you have probably cause to begin one. There is a finite amount of time and resources in any law enforcement office. In the future, I suggest that you pay attention to what is being said, and set aside your emotional response to SASless. As to giving offense, please stop doing so. You offended me with your post. It is the American justice system, mister, not a colonial justice system. To bring you up to date, we have not been anyone's colonials since the 1776-1781 (1783 final terms) war wherein we tossed aside the British kings and became the United States of America. Your intention to insult was obvious.


Please raise your game.
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Old 29th Nov 2016, 17:02
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Erm...yes it does. Evidence may be "Accurate, True, and Verifiable" but obtained without probable cause as a result of an illegal search or (fregsample) illegal phone tap. Everything that flows from that cannot be used even if it is "Accurate, True, and Verifiable" because it is fruit of the poisoned tree. These are fundamental principles of colonial law (states vary - consult your local Bar Association for details). SASless says he doesn't care where information comes from. The courst say otherwise, and have been held all the way to the supreme court on that. If you can't use it in court then it's not evidence.

Meanwhile I see you are silent on the small matter of whether statements like "The Left doesn't like the truth" are playing the ball or the man (never mind whether they are insulting or not) in a thread where almost everything coming from the rightwing nutjob contingent names some forum member as a "leftie".

I suggest there is game-raising to be done, but not with me.

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Old 29th Nov 2016, 17:53
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You make two assumptions -- you assume no probably cause and you assume not following standard procedures -- so your case is built on thin air. I only took you to task about that issue, so now you drag in another red herring, and then "what about" something not related to my points.

The wind up artist act is lame
So please raise your game
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Old 29th Nov 2016, 18:25
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I see you are silent on the small matter of whether statements like "The Left doesn't like the truth" are playing the ball or the man
Cheering for one side while damning the other is part of the game in my book as that doesn't rise to getting personal as long as you leave out the he and she names
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Old 29th Nov 2016, 18:28
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Let it slide guys you are dealing with a serial 'man' player and sadly no indignation on here is going to change that any time soon.
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Old 29th Nov 2016, 20:06
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@SFFP: advice accepted.
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