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Old 18th Nov 2016, 13:29
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When One argues about what happened to Indigenous Populations as a result of European's actions.....just remember each time it was caused by uncontrolled immigration.

Are we not seeing symptoms of that same kind of behavior by the latest influx of "Immigrants".

We should take a lesson from that.
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Old 18th Nov 2016, 17:03
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vapilot,

So, the thrust of your disputation of GOP strength in the majority of states is that the populace therein are stupid, ill-informed racists who unaware of their own best interest? Keep that political viewpoint and oblivion won't be far away.

Instead of reading reliably blue models of news and look at the stats of the red states for business climate, tax burdens, net in-migration and where out-migration is occurring. Texas created more jobs in the last decade than the rest of the country.

Economy has been slowly expanding for 7 years; Obama is above 50%, unemployment, inaccurately, is below 6%, markets are up 100% since 2009; if Dems can't win now, when can they?

While you banging on about how good the blue states are, how do you explain the state finances of CT, RI, MA, NY, IL? All near bankrupt
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Old 18th Nov 2016, 17:04
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vapilot....

" a level way too many white folks cannot begin to comprehend"

Sympathy would be a superfluous offering in response to that erudite and eloquently expressed sentiment.

True, white people cannot comprehend how it must feel to be as you say, but some of us can certainly comprehend the "mentality" of those white people who preach, and practice, the issues you raise.

This may bring a wry smile to your face.....I hope.

A couple of days ago, the BBC screened a programme about West Indians who came over during WW2. Then came the Americans with, as we know at the time, segregation in the military. It transpired, from various interviews, in their attempt to help foster international relations, the white Americans duly addressed, and tried to treat, the West Indian's in the same manner.

This, as they say, " ended in tears" for many, until the cent dropped as it were, as the West Indian's were / are the very last people to make such remarks to....and duly extended their own sentiments in a manner which, as they say " left no misunderstanding".

Back to the present, and these appointments seem to have been selected, not so much on merit, but more to having a consistent pedigree....funny that, because as we know, it's not the one at the top of the pile that does the dirty work.....

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...cabinet-picks-
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Old 18th Nov 2016, 17:58
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Originally Posted by SASless View Post
When One argues about what happened to Indigenous Populations as a result of European's actions.....just remember each time it was caused by uncontrolled immigration.

Are we not seeing symptoms of that same kind of behavior by the latest influx of "Immigrants".

We should take a lesson from that.
But wasn't the US created as a direct consequence of "uncontrolled immigration", and not just from the UK? As I recall, large numbers of people from all over Europe, plus a very large number of African slaves, made up the original US population. That's since been added to by migrants from the Far East and many other countries, all welcomed with open arms to grow the economic strength of the country.

I can accept that there comes a point where every relatively wealthy country has to call a halt to immigration, if it's to avoid being swamped, but it seems hypocritical to be critical of those within the US population who did so much to make it the powerful country it is today. It seems to me that the largest labour group that made the USA wealthy were the former African slaves, as they were the ones that did most of the back-breaking manual labour that founded the wealth of the nation.

All empires have to accept blame for the damage they cause to those they either raped for wealth, or dominated for their own political gain. The British Empire carries a fair burden for the harm done to many former states that were under, sometimes brutal, British rule, but arguably there was an exchange of values, in that, in return for taking natural wealth the British Empire tended to leave a legacy of education and organised government.
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Old 18th Nov 2016, 18:36
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Back to the present, and these appointments seem to have been selected, not so much on merit, but more to having a consistent pedigree....
K&C, are you really so thick that you don't recall our current president's cabinet appointments, virtually all of which were identity and agenda driven? Attorneys General in specific?

It's no wonder our leader parades around Europe this week totally clueless as to the reality around him. What's amazing is that his sycophants also believe it!
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Old 18th Nov 2016, 22:10
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VP,

Perhaps I should draw you a picture....would that help in understanding what was said without it being put into words.

Had the Indigenous People killed every single non-Indigenous person upon their showing their faces upon the local owners property....they would not have suffered the loss of their lands, their way of life, and culture as they have due to "immigration".

That was the point being discussed....the harm that came to the local folk caused by the non-local folk.

As an extension of that concept....consider the Rapes, Assaults, Murder, and Terrorism that goes on with the latest bunch that are flooding into "foreign" lands as they leave their own homelands for whatever reason they do.

Don't try to convince us that Twelve to Fifteen Million Illegal Aliens in the United States is good for the Nation.
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Old 19th Nov 2016, 02:59
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Originally Posted by galaxy flyer View Post
vapilot,

So, the thrust of your disputation of GOP strength in the majority of states is that the populace therein are stupid, ill-informed racists who unaware of their own best interest?
You squawking 7600 there buddy? Say again please.

Keep that political viewpoint and oblivion won't be far away.
Trying to bring you back in from the fog there. Obviously what I am sending is not being properly decoded on your end. Said another way, stop misrepresenting what I have written if you want a discussion, GF. Thanks.


Instead of reading reliably blue models of news and look at the stats of the red states for business climate, tax burdens, net in-migration and where out-migration is occurring. Texas created more jobs in the last decade than the rest of the country.
Instead of assuming my sources, why not accept what I had written previously as fact - which by the way, is all in the public domain.

Economy has been slowly expanding for 7 years; Obama is above 50%, unemployment, inaccurately, is below 6%, markets are up 100% since 2009; if Dems can't win now, when can they?
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Because Faux News, in chorus with some blinkered members of Congress rarely if ever gave credit where due on Obama's many successes, including bringing us back from the brink of depression. If you want to talk numbers, those are some impressive numbers. And yes, there were jobs created and unemployment is down, but in parts of America, the rust belt in particular where Clinton was projected to win, there are the folks still without jobs, so it was hard for anyone to campaign on the economy when people were still hurting from the sting of the collapse of the greedy investment banks in 2008.

Unemployment figures inaccurate? That's a new one. Do tell.
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Old 19th Nov 2016, 03:04
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Originally Posted by WhatsaLizad? View Post
vapilot,
Still waiting on details of racist remarks by Trump. I also see it has morphed into a proven history of discrimination.

Thanks
After having both lost each other's credibility, I'm pretty sure you and I should be done. But since I am a nice guy, I'm going to help you out, WaL.

LMGTFY

Come back with a "nothing wrong here, carry on", and we can "call it a day and let the loons fly where they may".
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Old 19th Nov 2016, 03:17
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Originally Posted by Seldomfitforpurpose View Post
The thing is we don't disagree in principle we just disagree in what's actual.
I'm listening...

if a white women states she does not like black men and does not want to socialise with them we would all think that pretty odd behaviour that is also quite possibly a crime under law ...
That is a perfectly valid preference and she is well within her rights. No crime in the states, thanks to an enlightened (and unanimous) decision by the Warren Court in 1967, Loving vs Virginia.

Now if same women uses her power as a landlord, public servant, or employer, and chooses to reject a person based on religion, race, or national origin, or sexuality, to deny any one of the above from their right to life, liberty or the pursuit of happiness, then we have a problem, and that is where laws come in and the Constitutional amendments Five and Fourteen are applied.

We are a million miles from across the board acceptance for one and all and IMHO the more we close down discussion with this 'I am enlightened be more like me' approach, that is not another dig just an observation, we will get nowhere near resolving the issue.
Enlightened as in open minded and accepting of people not like yourself. I don't expect everyone to follow this and force 'fill in the blank' on them, but people should at least try to embrace our diversity. It's part of the American way and if you're a flag-waving patriot, realize other than the native peoples, we are a nation of immigrants, and not everyone has been White, Anglo Saxons in our history.

If you are a person of influence, a public figure, or even an amateur political scientist, then it would seem the need to be inclusive, at least in our thinking, is paramount to credibility. Credibility, not only as a leader in a liberal democracy, but as a human being in this new millennium.
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Old 19th Nov 2016, 03:37
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Originally Posted by Krystal n chips View Post
vapilot....
True, white people cannot comprehend how it must feel to be as you say, but some of us can certainly comprehend the "mentality" of those white people who preach, and practice, the issues you raise.

This may bring a wry smile to your face.....I hope.
That BBC story sounds par for the course.

Back to the present, and these appointments seem to have been selected, not so much on merit, but more to having a consistent pedigree....funny that, because as we know, it's not the one at the top of the pile that does the dirty work.....

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...cabinet-picks-
You can't have a good ole boy's network without some good ole boys.

Both Pompeo and Sessions share a history of public racism, and while General Flynn is (a bit?) over the edge on Muslims, and he certainly broke with tradition and military honor in publicly criticizing the president, he did a remarkable job building an intelligence network in Iraq.
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Old 19th Nov 2016, 03:52
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Originally Posted by Lonewolf_50 View Post
vapilot, you may wish to look at the numbers of black voters who were motivated to vote in 2008 and 2012, but who were NOT motivated to vote in 2016. (The last few polls and analyses I've seen aren't as clear as I'd have hoped, but the drop off is agreed, as is the general reduction in people showing up to vote).


It appears to me that HRC and her team worked very hard on the Hispanic vote ... but the core demographic who came out to vote for President Obama, twice, did not show her the same support.
Check my posts on the election results, you will see I noted this voter apathy as well as the millennials.


Why? I don't know, but I suspect a lack of trust has something to do with it. Was it a race issue, VAP? Did they choose not to vote for one more part of the white political establishment? It's possible, but I don't know.
Considering the constant harassment by certain members of the GOP, and the email drumbeat that came from nearly all directions, including so-called mainstream 'liberal' media, I wouldn't be surprised if trust was indeed an issue on these voter's minds. Some theories suggest it was a lack of awareness of Trump's potential to win the EC. As to thoughts of white political establishment, the numbers for Clinton on minority support suggest otherwise.


As to your continued line of 'if you don't agree with me, you must be stupid" that kind of stereotyping, bigotry, and talking at people rather to them, we could use less of in political discourse.
You seem to be in the same comms fringe area as GF, there LW. This has never been a blanket statement of mine, I mainly offered it as a condemnation of those that chose Trump, in spite of his racist background and remarks - leaving aside his suitability for the office for now. That choice is a slap in the face of every progressive thinking citizen of the world, along with a majority of the 35% of Americans that identify as non-white.
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Old 19th Nov 2016, 04:03
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After having both lost each other's credibility, I'm pretty sure you and I should be done. But since I am a nice guy, I'm going to help you out, WaL.

LMGTFY

Come back with a "nothing wrong here, carry on", and we can "call it a day and let the loons fly where they may".
Nice dodge vapilot. Are you actually a pilot? Because I asked a very simple question as to exactly what constituted racist remarks by Trump in your view. Instead I get the 12 year old cute little Google response.


For the record, I personally can't stand Trump, but couldn't stand the Clinton's even more. I expect the same respect for that choice as I give you, but you've long since went max power on your emotional tirade.


Yes there are a lot of things that bother me with Trump. Most of all would be the criticism of a Federal Judge born in the USA. The Muslim Gold Star family? The fallen soldier has my eternal respect and gratitude, his parents? Not so much. They have "baggage", but I forgive that in their loss.
The rest of your Google stuff is sniveling lefty crap. A 1970's landlord is liable for discrimination? Any chance you remember that NY craphole back then? I'll give a pass for forgiveness to all sides for bad behavior back then. Even better is that it was his Dad's company back then. He was a mentor to Donald. I haven't seen much discussion from the left or hysterics regarding Hillary's "Mentor", Senator Robert Byrd, who was a Grand Wizard in the KKK.


So let's round it out, he had a female campaign head that won an election for him, (a first), female executives in his company and now what seems is a willingness to embrace former foes in collaboration for a better future.


Your ilk is fading fast.


Rest assured, I (along with many in the right) will be holding him to a standard far higher than your side would have held that entitled crook that he soundly defeated.
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Old 19th Nov 2016, 04:05
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identify as non-white
Is this like a guy who dresses like a woman and uses the female bathroom because he "identifies" as a woman?
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Old 19th Nov 2016, 04:05
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realize other than the native peoples, we are a nation of immigrants
The natives were immigrants once upon a time as well, just the first in a long line.

There is some evidence that the Australian Aborigine was not the first settler. Were the first settlers subject to genocide by the Aborigine, or some other manifestation that wiped them out? Just sayin...

http://www.pnas.org/content/98/2/537.full.pdf
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Old 19th Nov 2016, 04:09
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True, BA. They got their papers stamped the hard way.

Edited - was not aware of the knowledge of earlier inhabitants in AUS. Will read that link. Cheers for that.

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Old 19th Nov 2016, 04:10
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WaL, thanks for finally admitting the obvious. I was hoping you might bring yourself around to it. Good CRM, mate. If you're a pilot that is. If not, good job all the same.

Instead I get the 12 year old cute little Google response.
Your request prompted me to assume you needed an assist.



I also take issue with your use of the word 'sniveling'. It hardly befits the reaction of a minority when faced with abject racism. Something our laws have attempted to address, but unfortunately, leaves enforcement to the powers that be, our communities, and our solidarity as open-minded Americans. Oh wait, you were referring to white journalists covering the racism issue. Those darn interlocutors, always messin' about in thangs that ain't none of their durn Yankee, n_____ lovin' bizness.

Great, Trump grabbed him a pussy and got a campaign manager. Wonder how many faces of color are in his 'organization' and will be in his coming administration? Surely he could find at least a couple dozen Uncle Toms willing to hold their nose, swallow their pride and work for the GOP nominee and now president elect.

exactly what constituted racist remarks by Trump in your view.
My view should be the least of your worries (and interests). Pay attention instead to about half of Congress, and more than half of the voting 2016 electorate, and our failing and ailing but still alive fourth estate if you need a ball to focus those eyes and ears of yours on, although, just between you and me, you might need to check for wax buildup, friend.

Your ilk is fading fast.
My 'ilk' as you ineloquently claim, are the future, not the past. Try to remember that in 2018, 2020, and the coming decades. Oh and another Gold Star family basher. How quaint. You people should join a club of some kind. Get some cool hats maybe.

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Old 19th Nov 2016, 04:28
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You people should join a club of some kind.
Kinda did, President Elect, Senate Majority Leader and Speaker of the House are some of the members.
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Later dude (or dudette)
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Old 19th Nov 2016, 04:42
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To those making claims of Trumps "racism", can we have some verified examples please? Not accusations, not rumour or innuendo, just some facts that we can mull over?

While you are at it, here is a factual pronouncement to be getting on with.

"The jobs they hold might otherwise be held by citizens or legal immigrants. The public services they use impose burdens on our taxpayers. Thatís why our Administration has moved aggressively to secure our borders more, by hiring a record number of new border guards, by deporting twice as many criminal aliens as ever before, by cracking down on illegal hiring, by barring welfare benefits to illegal aliens.

In the budget I will present to you, we will try to do more to speed the deportation of illegal aliens who are arrested for crimes, to better identify illegal aliens in the workplace as recommended by the commission headed by former Congresswoman Barbara Jordan.

We are a nation of immigrants, but we are also a nation of laws. It is wrong and ultimately self-defeating for a nation of immigrants to permit the kind of abuse of our immigration laws we have seen in recent years, and we must do more to stop it."


Bill Clinton
State of the Union Address 1995
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Old 19th Nov 2016, 04:43
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Good one, WC. I've seen the previews of the embroidery for the patch.



To those making claims of Trumps "racism", can we have some verified examples please? Not accusations, not rumour or innuendo, just some facts that we can mull over?
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