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Old 10th Nov 2016, 03:16
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Curious how after your poorly worded diatribe full of spelling and grammer errors you feel comfortable criticizing other educational systems?
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Old 10th Nov 2016, 03:22
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Originally Posted by West Coast View Post
Neila

Curious how after your poorly worded diatribe full of spelling and grammer errors you feel comfortable criticizing other educational systems?
Perhaps it's an example of that "bizarre arrogance" he was so concerned with being displayed by others, and Irony is his way of highlighting it?
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Old 10th Nov 2016, 03:41
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Old 10th Nov 2016, 03:42
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bizarre arrogance
I have no better explanation. Interesting to read the holier than thou messages full of errors.

It is a fact the US has probably the worst education system of a developed nation.
Love that! Fact and probably in the same sentence in an attempt to make make a point. The thought train is off the tracks.
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Old 10th Nov 2016, 03:52
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Republicans calling democrats bad losers?
Indeed. I remember when Republicans rioted in the street after Obama won, assaulted Obama supporters, and called for a vote to secede from the United States.

Oh, sorry, no. That was the Democrats today.

The same republicans whose candidate wouldn't even say he would accept the result if he lost?
Yes, he's as bad as that earlier Republican candidate who refused to accept the election results, Al 'Hanging Chad' Gore.

The same republicans who were so upset at having a black president they questioned where he was born, because apparently being black means you cant really be a US citizen.
Yes, I remember that well-known Republican candidate running against Obama a few years ago who claimed he wasn't born in America. I think her name was... Hillary Clinton?
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Old 10th Nov 2016, 03:54
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From my friend the political stats junkie:

About 15 million less people showed up to vote than in 2012. He'll revise the figures when the full returns come in.

THAT is a non trivial decrease in voter turnout. An even smaller number of people voting made the decision via their votes. I had hoped that we'd get more people, but I guess more and more Americans are signalling their disgust with our political present. They are tired of eating the turd sandwich.

Not a good sign.
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Old 10th Nov 2016, 04:01
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And now on earth, does electing a 70 year old white male billionaire business man, who has never shown the slightest interest in the plight of middle class Americans, send a message to the establishment?
Because the alternative was electing a 70-year-old woman who's never done anything in her life except politics and law, who became rich through mysterious donations from foreign billionaires while she was working for the government, and received the vast majority of the donations from billionaires during the election campaign, reportedly from nearly 20x as many billionaires as Trump received from his 'elite friends'.

Because electing the her would really have 'sent a message' to the establishment, wouldn't it?
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Old 10th Nov 2016, 04:04
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I’ll start by trying to understand why 50% of my friends and the rest of country think Donald Trump can fix a broken system and try to support them in their efforts.
None of the Trump supporters I know think Trump can fix America. They just think he'll preside over a (relatively) peaceful collapse, rather than the civil war a Clinton victory would have led to.

And we're already seeing that, with butthurt Democrat voters now calling for 'CALEXIT'. Trump has everything to gain, and nothing to lose, from letting all the Democrat states go.

And, hey, maybe he actually can teach the donkey to fly.

(Free prediction: if the Californians vote for CALEXIT, precisely none of the Little Europeans here will be demanding that Congress must get a vote to decide whether they can)
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Old 10th Nov 2016, 04:05
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Being old does not make you the establishment.
Being connected to certain circles does.
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Old 10th Nov 2016, 04:44
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Originally Posted by Una Due Tfc View Post
Cruz? 😜

It could have been worse though, Cruz might have been president. The last thing the world needs is the Christian equivalent of Khomeini in charge. Let's hope Pence doesn't take the hot seat either.
Precisely.
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Old 10th Nov 2016, 04:46
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Originally Posted by West Coast View Post
I have no better explanation. Interesting to read the holier than thou messages full of errors.



Love that! Fact and probably in the same sentence in an attempt to make make a point. The thought train is off the tracks.
Yeh it happens, typing fast on a small phone on a bus with autocorrect set to Spanish. No biggie, you get my point. If you think a few spelling mistakes in a forum post disproves global evidence on relative educational standards, well you're not being as clever as you think and helping prove my point

Now, can either of you counter any of my points? I notice a trend here that whenever an actual argument is made, the Trump supporters respond with ad-hominem attacks and are never able to counter the points. Revealing.

I'm intrigued, are you happy with the standards of US education? And do you think it provides the skills to make informed choices?
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Old 10th Nov 2016, 04:47
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So what happens in 2 years when there are no new steel mills or automobile factories?
The GOP Trump chumps get voted out of Congress.
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Old 10th Nov 2016, 04:49
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Originally Posted by PukinDog View Post
Socialists are so cute, always talking about Scandinavia.
Again, what is your point? Or you don't have one but think implying something is enough because you said socialist so you automatically win right?
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Old 10th Nov 2016, 04:50
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I'm intrigued, are you happy with the standards of US education?
Republicans have been complaining about the low standards of US education for decades, which is why so many of them homeschool, or send their kids to private schools. It's the Democrats who want to keep American kids stupid and indocrinated.
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Old 10th Nov 2016, 04:53
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Again, what is your point?
I believe the point is that the left keep talking about how great Scandinavia is, when they clearly know nothing about the countries they idolize. Just the other day some idiot media lefty was complaining about how bad the welfare system was in the UK and how it should be more like Scandinavia... when, as it turned out, they'd have got less welfare in Scandinavia.

That used to work twenty years ago when they controlled the flow of information. But, these days, anyone can fact-check them on the Internet and see what nonsense they're spouting.
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Old 10th Nov 2016, 04:57
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Trump's first 100 days:

* FIRST, propose a Constitutional Amendment to impose term limits on all members of Congress;

* SECOND, a hiring freeze on all federal employees to reduce federal workforce through attrition (exempting military, public safety, and public health);

* THIRD, a requirement that for every new federal regulation, two existing regulations must be eliminated;

* FOURTH, a 5 year-ban on White House and Congressional officials becoming lobbyists after they leave government service;

* FIFTH, a lifetime ban on White House officials lobbying on behalf of a foreign government;

* SIXTH, a complete ban on foreign lobbyists raising money for American elections.

On the same day, I will begin taking the following 7 actions to protect American workers:

* FIRST, I will announce my intention to renegotiate NAFTA or withdraw from the deal under Article 2205

* SECOND, I will announce our withdrawal from the Trans-Pacific Partnership

* THIRD, I will direct my Secretary of the Treasury to label China a currency manipulator

* FOURTH, I will direct the Secretary of Commerce and U.S. Trade Representative to identify all foreign trading abuses that unfairly impact American workers and direct them to use every tool under American and international law to end those abuses immediately


* FIFTH, I will lift the restrictions on the production of $50 trillion dollars' worth of job-producing American energy reserves, including shale, oil, natural gas and clean coal.

* SIXTH, lift the Obama-Clinton roadblocks and allow vital energy infrastructure projects, like the Keystone Pipeline, to move forward

* SEVENTH, cancel billions in payments to U.N. climate change programs and use the money to fix America's water and environmental infrastructure

Additionally, on the first day, I will take the following five actions to restore security and the constitutional rule of law:

* FIRST, cancel every unconstitutional executive action, memorandum and order issued by President Obama

* SECOND, begin the process of selecting a replacement for Justice Scalia from one of the 20 judges on my list, who will uphold and defend the Constitution of the United States

* THIRD, cancel all federal funding to Sanctuary Cities

* FOURTH, begin removing the more than 2 million criminal illegal immigrants from the country and cancel visas to foreign countries that won't take them back

* FIFTH, suspend immigration from terror-prone regions where vetting cannot safely occur. All vetting of people coming into our country will be considered extreme vetting.

Next, I will work with Congress to introduce the following broader legislative measures and fight for their passage within the first 100 days of my Administration:

Middle Class Tax Relief And Simplification Act. An economic plan designed to grow the economy 4% per year and create at least 25 million new jobs through massive tax reduction and simplification, in combination with trade reform, regulatory relief, and lifting the restrictions on American energy. The largest tax reductions are for the middle class. A middle-class family with 2 children will get a 35% tax cut. The current number of brackets will be reduced from 7 to 3, and tax forms will likewise be greatly simplified. The business rate will be lowered from 35 to 15 percent, and the trillions of dollars of American corporate money overseas can now be brought back at a 10 percent rate.

End The Offshoring Act. Establishes tariffs to discourage companies from laying off their workers in order to relocate in other countries and ship their products back to the U.S. tax-free.

American Energy & Infrastructure Act. Leverages public-private partnerships, and private investments through tax incentives, to spur $1 trillion in infrastructure investment over 10 years. It is revenue neutral.

School Choice And Education Opportunity Act. Redirects education dollars to give parents the right to send their kid to the public, private, charter, magnet, religious or home school of their choice. Ends common core, brings education supervision to local communities. It expands vocational and technical education, and make 2 and 4-year college more affordable.

Repeal and Replace Obamacare Act. Fully repeals Obamacare and replaces it with Health Savings Accounts, the ability to purchase health insurance across state lines, and lets states manage Medicaid funds. Reforms will also include cutting the red tape at the FDA: there are over 4,000 drugs awaiting approval, and we especially want to speed the approval of life-saving medications.

Affordable Childcare and Eldercare Act. Allows Americans to deduct childcare and elder care from their taxes, incentivizes employers to provide on-side childcare services, and creates tax-free Dependent Care Savings Accounts for both young and elderly dependents, with matching contributions for low-income families.


End Illegal Immigration Act Fully-funds the construction of a wall on our southern border with the full understanding that the country Mexico will be reimbursing the United States for the full cost of such wall; establishes a 2-year mandatory minimum federal prison sentence for illegally re-entering the U.S. after a previous deportation, and a 5-year mandatory minimum for illegally re-entering for those with felony convictions, multiple misdemeanor convictions or two or more prior deportations; also reforms visa rules to enhance penalties for overstaying and to ensure open jobs are offered to American workers first.

Restoring Community Safety Act. Reduces surging crime, drugs and violence by creating a Task Force On Violent Crime and increasing funding for programs that train and assist local police; increases resources for federal law enforcement agencies and federal prosecutors to dismantle criminal gangs and put violent offenders behind bars.
Restoring National Security Act. Rebuilds our military by eliminating the defense sequester and expanding military investment; provides Veterans with the ability to receive public VA treatment or attend the private doctor of their choice; protects our vital infrastructure from cyber-attack; establishes new screening procedures for immigration to ensure those who are admitted to our country support our people and our values

Clean up Corruption in Washington Act. Enacts new ethics reforms to Drain the Swamp and reduce the corrupting influence of special interests on our politics.
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Old 10th Nov 2016, 05:21
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Old 10th Nov 2016, 05:22
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How the hell is he going to fund a 35 per cent tax cut to middle class families?
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Old 10th Nov 2016, 05:34
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Yeh it happens, typing fast on a small phone on a bus with autocorrect set to Spanish.
That's a valid excuse for poor grammar? No, hardly.

I'd give you the benefit of the doubt, but foolish statements that are nonsensical such as "it is a fact the US has probably the worst education system" raise questions about your ability to communicate effectively. Raising further questions to your education and intelligence level is making sweeping generalizations about hundreds of millions of people based on your minimal exposure to the subject. You of course are quick to invoke others opinions without giving specifics or even names.

It's pretty hard to take your positions seriously because you've not offered serious arguments. My time is better spent debating posters who offer serious positions and can back them.
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Old 10th Nov 2016, 05:43
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How the hell is he going to fund a 35 per cent tax cut to middle class families?
Tartare: It depends greatly on how Middle Class is defined with regards to income.

For those making under $50K/year, their income tax contributions amounted to about 5% of the total Federal tax revenue in 2015. If we expand that definition to under $100K/year, that figure jumps to over 20% of the total revenue.

For the plan applied to under 50K, we're looking at 35% less of 5% of $3.2 Trillion dollars or $56 Billion dollars. If the plan included those under 100K/year, that figure becomes much more significant, at $240 Billion/year that the government would have to make up either with additional revenue enhancements or cutting spending on Federal programs.

Meanwhile, US corporations are having the easiest tax burden on record, as a percentage of the total tax revenue:



Note the change in "Social, Retirement" category is due to the current wage earners supporting aging baby boomers and other recipients out of the Social Security budget.
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