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Old 7th May 2020, 11:25
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Did you see the reason he gave for the U-turn on the virus task-force?

He said he hadn't realized how popular it was. Not how useful, effective or valuable it was. But how popular it was. That tells us all we need to know about what motivates his every thought.
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Old 7th May 2020, 17:16
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WASHINGTON — One of President Donald Trump's personal valets, who works in the West Wing serving the president his meals among other duties, has tested positive for coronavirus, the closest the virus is known to have come to the president, said a White House official.
Fingers crossed.
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Old 7th May 2020, 19:39
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Originally Posted by double_barrel View Post
Did you see the reason he gave for the U-turn on the virus task-force?

He said he hadn't realized how popular it was. Not how useful, effective or valuable it was. But how popular it was. That tells us all we need to know about what motivates his every thought.

You can't have both ways.It's only popular when the chorus sings, Nobody cares to listen to the fat lady. Obviously Trump got a lot of ch*t for his part and figured the whole thing should be canned.
The audience would cheer if he sat it out, but then somebody in the chorus might sing out-of-tune and get fired

But of course I support what he is doing, but not his character. He is slowly taking off the publics everyday feed of gloom and doom to their bodies and trying to recover the economy before it collapses Frankly the ,medical experts only talk about their specialty.even though it conflicts with the survival of our society. The same old song day after day.

Did you ever notice that the talking heads and entertainers support on the news feed are the ones who support the public's interest in the health aspects when these same spokespeople have a steady income. If you want a feel of what really counts survey the unemployment lines
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Old 7th May 2020, 19:51
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Grrr

as I said before this thread is dying since the trumpists left the scene
sad to see, no more objects of derision, I was having fun
well, time to go to other fun things to do like installing the tailcone ADSB touted as the best in the market to my antique airplane only to find out that the embedded GPS was faulty, after using wood screws and all the wiring.
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Old 7th May 2020, 23:39
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Sorry guys. They are going to treat covid deaths, like guns. Just ignore it. The view is, that you will get numb to the death toll, while trump talks on economy. You won't be seeing real health statements anymore.
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Old 8th May 2020, 00:31
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Maybe we can get back to some reasonable political exchanges since the Four Horsemen of the Trumptanic sailed. Once upon a time we had some good discussions. Interesting points of view, thought provoking insights. I hope that can come back. Trump has never been a difference of political opinion, it’s been a moral/ethical failure.
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Old 8th May 2020, 08:48
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Or maybe a discussion about those two Americans detained in Venezuela? What's the story there?
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Old 8th May 2020, 12:03
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Despite having plead guilty, Trump crony Bill Barr uses the cover of the CV19 pandemic to force the DOJ to drop charges against Benedict Arnold reboot Michael Flynn. Again, despite him admitting guilt and pleading accordingly. Guilty of offences so serious the judge sidebared with the prosecution after asking if they'd filed a treason charge. (Source - https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...van-sentencing)

Dropping charges after an admission of guilt. That doesn't happen. The motion to dismiss includes this:

Moreover, we not believe that the Government can prove either the relevant false statements or their materiality beyond a reasonable doubt.

The argument is that the government cannot prove that Michael Flynn made false statements, despite Flynn admitting in court multiple times that he made false statements.

This happens in 2020, because the "land of the free" and American exceptionalism that they love to crow about is delusional. Welcome to the oligarchy.

Remember this? Trump acknowledging the lies?


On February 14th, Trump talked to FBI Director Comey about Michael Flynn, asking him to “let this go” because he’s a “good guy.”

Comey wouldn’t do it, so Trump fires him.

Barr just did what Comey was unwilling to do.




Michael Flynn, upon pleading guilty, which he did twice, affirming every word and detail of his guilt under penalty of perjury. His conviction has not been overturned. This shouldn't be possible. Then again, Barr intervened on behalf of Roger Stone, forcing prosecutors to resign in protest. Once again, the respected non-partisan prosecutor has resigned to avoid being part of this affront to our republic, and the order to withdraw was signed by Barr's personal political hatchet man Timothy Shea.Lying to the FBI was the least of Flynn's crimes. He pled to them as part of a deal, and the Feds agreed not to prosecute him for serving as an unregistered agent of a foreign dictator while incoming National Security Advisor, even though he accepted thousands to pen disgustingly anti-democratic op-ed's in support of Turkey's dictator, and plotted private black-ops operations to kidnap a lawful US resident to deliver him to Erdogan for imprisonment.

Flynn will likely never face justice because he never ratted on Trump on the core of the Mueller investigation. He claimed not to remember whether Trump knew about or directed his call to the Russian ambassador Kislyak. That earned him immunity for all of his crimes, because under Trump and Barr, justice in the United States has been transformed into that of a tinpot dictatorship: Wielded as a sword against his enemies like Andrew McCabe, and shield for allies like Stone and Flynn.
Some early takes from DOJ experts:
  • "I have been in and around DOJ since 1983. I have never seen a case dropped after someone has pled guilty and the underlying facts demonstrate beyond any shadow of a doubt he is guilty. This is simply a pardon by another name. A black day in DOJ history." - Michael Bromwich, former DOJ IG; Asst US Attorney, SDNY; Assoc. Independent Counsel, Iran-Contra

  • "This moment represents the full collapse of an apolitical Justice Department. An astonishing assault on the rule of law and in a functional DOJ it would prompt mass resignation." - Susan Hennessey, Lawfare

  • "An unbelievable betrayal of the prosecutorial equities of the United States." - Benjamin Wittes, Lawfare

  • "It’s hard to overstate how unusual it is for a criminal defendant to obtain a dismissal *after he pleads guilty to a crime. There are thousands of criminal defendants across the country who want their convictions dismissed. But they aren’t friends with the President."* - Renato Mariotti, former Federal Prosecutor.

  • "Just infuriating. He pleaded guilty. He said he was guilty. The crime was serious. It endangered national security. There were other possible charges. Completely revolting." - Harry Litman, former DOJ, Constitutional Law at UCLA.

  • "This is a bright red blinking WARNING sign. Brandon has as much integrity as anyone I know. If he can’t take whatever drug deal is about to go down, we’re all about to see something rotten to its core. - Joshua Geltzer, former DOJ, Georgetown Law.

  • The Department of Justice's motion to dismiss Flynn's case is an extremely well written defense argument that would absolutely fail if made by the defense, and will be quoted extensively (to no avail) in future 1001 prosecutions. It's transparently corrupt. - Ken White, Former Federal Prosecutor

  • AG Barr is Trump's new fixer. No need to take the political hit to pardon your friend when your fixer can do the dirty work for you. Sad day for DOJ. - Orin Kerr, Berkeley Law.
    Do not doubt that the timing of this announcement regarding Flynn was also organised to distract from yesterdays Congress release of Russia investigation transcripts

    https://intelligence.house.gov/russiainvestigation/

    There's dozens of them, so here's a few from the list:

    Steven Bannon: https://intelligence.house.gov/UploadedFiles/SB2b.pdf

    Hope Hicks: https://intelligence.house.gov/UploadedFiles/HH22.pdf

    Jared Kushner: https://intelligence.house.gov/UploadedFiles/JK25.pdf

    Roger Stone: https://intelligence.house.gov/UploadedFiles/RS50.pdf

    Donald Trump Jr: https://intelligence.house.gov/UploadedFiles/DT55.pdf
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    Old 8th May 2020, 12:09
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    Reminds me of living in Manila. Same stories in the local newspapers, day in, day out.
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    Old 8th May 2020, 12:16
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    No empire lasts forever. US had a good run for 80 years
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    Old 8th May 2020, 18:17
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    Or maybe a discussion about those two Americans detained in Venezuela? What's the story there?
    Same story as every other locale infected by the American foreign policy footprint. Defending the failing greenback through the continued scam of the petrodollar.

    The US has been trying to remove the non US compliant leadership in Venezuela for decades. The latest ramping ramping up of concern for the “wellbeing of the citizens” of that country coincides with Maduro removing the US dollar from their oil trade.

    I have no doubt the US has operatives all over the place in Venezuela helping lay the foundations for further installments of “democracy” at the barrel of a gun.

    As John Bolton, NSA advisor to Trump and total unhinged loony said:

    I think we’re trying to get to the same end result here. You know Venezuela is one of the three countries I call the troika of tyranny. It’ll make a big difference to the United States economically if we could have American oil companies really invest in and produce the oil capabilities in Venezuela.
    This happens in 2020, because the "land of the free" and American exceptionalism that they love to crow about is delusional. Welcome to the oligarchy.
    Indeed, the US is above the law in every way and for sure is an oligarchy. In fact the country should be renamed the US of Goldman Sachs.

    From Iran Contra to the lies about WMD to the shooting down of an airliner with no apology to the banking malfeasance in 2008 that is still occurring. The US is a rogue state.

    No empire lasts forever. US had a good run for 80 years


    Correct and one of the hallmarks of an empire at the end of its useful life is the de basement of its currency.

    Sadly, Australia is not much more than America's Sheriff of the south Pacific and has constantly takes the low moral road in many foreign policy adventures.

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    Old 8th May 2020, 22:48
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    More fun from the rule of law party.

    Chairman of the Colorado Republican Party orders official to report false election results in leaked audio

    https://www.denverpost.com/2020/05/0...k-gop-primary/


    I particularly liked the irony of all his rabbiting on about "by order of the central committee." All sounds a bit commie to me.
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    Old 9th May 2020, 00:12
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    Originally Posted by dead_pan View Post
    Or maybe a discussion about those two Americans detained in Venezuela? What's the story there?
    The Bay of Piglets!

    Just add it to the list:

    Instances of the United States overthrowing, or attempting to overthrow, a foreign government since the Second World War. (* indicates successful ouster of a government)
    • China 1949 to early 1960s
    • Albania 1949-53
    • East Germany 1950s
    • Iran 1953 *
    • Guatemala 1954 *
    • Costa Rica mid-1950s
    • Syria 1956-7
    • Egypt 1957
    • Indonesia 1957-8
    • British Guiana 1953-64 *
    • Iraq 1963 *
    • North Vietnam 1945-73
    • Cambodia 1955-70 *
    • Laos 1958 *, 1959 *, 1960 *
    • Ecuador 1960-63 *
    • Congo 1960 *
    • France 1965
    • Brazil 1962-64 *
    • Dominican Republic 1963 *
    • Cuba 1959 to present
    • Bolivia 1964 *
    • Indonesia 1965 *
    • Ghana 1966 *
    • Chile 1964-73 *
    • Greece 1967 *
    • Costa Rica 1970-71
    • Bolivia 1971 *
    • Australia 1973-75 *
    • Angola 1975, 1980s
    • Zaire 1975
    • Portugal 1974-76 *
    • Jamaica 1976-80 *
    • Seychelles 1979-81
    • Chad 1981-82 *
    • Grenada 1983 *
    • South Yemen 1982-84
    • Suriname 1982-84
    • Fiji 1987 *
    • Libya 1980s
    • Nicaragua 1981-90 *
    • Panama 1989 *
    • Bulgaria 1990 *
    • Albania 1991 *
    • Iraq 1991
    • Afghanistan 1980s *
    • Somalia 1993
    • Yugoslavia 1999-2000 *
    • Ecuador 2000 *
    • Afghanistan 2001 *
    • Venezuela 2002 *
    • Iraq 2003 *
    • Haiti 2004 *
    • Somalia 2007 to present
    • Honduras 2009 *
    • Libya 2011 *
    • Syria 2012
    • Ukraine 2014 *
    Q: Why will there never be a coup d’état in Washington?

    A: Because there’s no American embassy there.
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    Old 9th May 2020, 02:28
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    Originally Posted by The Sultan View Post
    Fingers crossed.

    fingers crossed.
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    Old 9th May 2020, 04:01
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    dr dre, you can take Oz of f your listing, chatter had it at the time that the USA hand a hand in the event, but I have not seen any proof, and rather much doubt the claim. Whitlam didn't need any help in getting thrown out of office, the guy thought he was God, and acted the part.
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    Old 9th May 2020, 16:31
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    Originally Posted by megan View Post
    dr dre, you can take Oz of f your listing, chatter had it at the time that the USA hand a hand in the event, but I have not seen any proof, and rather much doubt the claim. Whitlam didn't need any help in getting thrown out of office, the guy thought he was God, and acted the part.
    Given that you thought Rudd was still in parliament seven years after he resigned, I'm skeptical that you know much about Gough Whitlam.
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    Old 9th May 2020, 18:34
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    Trump was the underdog last election and surely part of the reason he won was he managed to connect outside the MSM using informal media. The democrats, or at least the never Trumpers appear to have taken this to heart. There is an absolute tsunami of anti Trump stuff in the non MSM media at the moment. I wonder if they are shooting their bolt too soon. By the time the election comes round the undecided will be so pissed off by the snow storm of viciousness they will end up voting for Trump anyway.
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    Old 9th May 2020, 20:30
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    I think you are right Chris, would be better to silently stand aside and let the idiot dismantle himself something he is quite capable of.
    Overt schadenfreude is a turn off, but unfortunately a big part of US politics
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    Old 9th May 2020, 21:09
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    Along with the anti-acting-prez stuff, the Dems, at some point, had better start demonstrating, strongly, why Biden is the right man for the job.
    They seem to have a way to go with that aspect.
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    Old 10th May 2020, 01:11
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    Originally Posted by golder View Post
    I know, There were 3 senile old men, now there are two. what is the attraction to senile old men. Do americans have grandpa issues? It could partly explain their porn.
    I agree whole-heartedly! Old white men! Where’s some younger, competent people? I hope we’ve seen the end of the Freedom Caucus. And we need to restore credibility to our news outlets.
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