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Old 5th May 2020, 11:48
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I see SASless has been quiet for a few weeks now? Anyone know what's up?
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Old 5th May 2020, 12:11
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Originally Posted by dead_pan View Post
I see SASless has been quiet for a few weeks now? Anyone know what's up?
He normally posts when there is activity on the thread. Seeing as just about everybody on here has offended him by daring to disagree and then being put in his “peanut gallery”, he probably thinks it’s very quiet. Party for one?
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Old 5th May 2020, 17:59
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Not content with this, the latest ad by the Republican Lincoln Project seems to have sent him off on a 1 AM rage tweet fest against all RINOs.
Trump gave a TV interview in the Lincoln Memorial, in front of the massive statue of Lincoln.

As one wag put it, "That was probably the second-worst performance Lincoln ever sat through."

https://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2020...6131588582178/
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Old 5th May 2020, 22:41
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Trump gave away some interesting tidbits in todays press conference.

When asked why he is shutting down the covid 19 task force in 3 weeks (despite warnings that the death toll could double by early august) and why they will not continue the closures:

"people are no going to accept it, they wont accept it and they shouldnt accept it."

This gets to the nuts and bolts of the problem America faces that most other developed countries do not have to contend with.

An uniformed and heavily armed population fed a diet of lies and misdirection from main stream wide spread media and their state and federal Governments.

I mentioned this several weeks ago, Trump has no choice but to open up the country and to a certain extent ignore warnings from the medical profession to the peril of the very people who voted for him because he will be facing an armed, uninformed and angry citizenry that will not accept further lockdown.

This will make the virus worse according to experts in the field and the inevitable second attempt at lockdown will be close to civil war.

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Old 5th May 2020, 23:53
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Just how many are these protesters v. the rest who seem to be opting for a measured return,
orchestrated by various levels of state governments paying attention to science as well?.
State - not federal.
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Old 6th May 2020, 01:41
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You do have to remember that Trump and the federal gov't cannot (and have not) closed much of anything - just Federal National Parks and Labs and such.

E.G. National Renewable Energy Laboratory (NREL): https://www.nrel.gov/coronavirus.html

and https://www.nps.gov/romo/index.htm

The feds can recommend policies - or not. They can force open a limited number of facilities (e.g. meat-processing plants) - as "essential industries".

Otherwise, it is up to the local governments and health officials - states, counties, cities - to set local covid-containment policies. And the Feds have minimal power to interfere with that.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/gallup-...d-coronavirus/

The protests have been a few thousand people - perhaps 0.5% of those toting firearms. Out of 330 million Americans. It is their right to do so. It may also be stupid, in more ways than one - but stupidity is not prohibited in (nor limited to) the US. There will not be "civil war" - there may eventually be some cases of "suicide by cop," if someone gets stonkered and waves their AR in the wrong direction.....
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Old 6th May 2020, 08:10
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Originally Posted by Orange future View Post
Trump gave away some interesting tidbits in todays press conference.

When asked why he is shutting down the covid 19 task force in 3 weeks (despite warnings that the death toll could double by early august) and why they will not continue the closures:

"people are no going to accept it, they wont accept it and they shouldnt accept it."

This gets to the nuts and bolts of the problem America faces that most other developed countries do not have to contend with.

An uniformed and heavily armed population fed a diet of lies and misdirection from main stream wide spread media and their state and federal Governments.

I mentioned this several weeks ago, Trump has no choice but to open up the country and to a certain extent ignore warnings from the medical profession to the peril of the very people who voted for him because he will be facing an armed, uninformed and angry citizenry that will not accept further lockdown.

This will make the virus worse according to experts in the field and the inevitable second attempt at lockdown will be close to civil war.
Trump can go down this road, it's "his ball", however he has admitted that the consequence of a (premature) re-opening of the USA will lead to some small fires, possibly some big ones (I guess he's referring there to infections / deaths). What happens when these "fires' break out, as they will, predominantly in urban, Democrat supporting areas, whilst the Trump supporting more rural areas get away relatively lightly. He'll satisfy much of his core vote, but antogonise many others who may well feel that they've been hung out to dry, to keep the Trump base on side. An unintended consequence of a premature lifting of the restrictions, and a consequent 2nd wave could well be that the USA faces a travel ban for it's people, and also bans on other nations citizens visiting the USA. How much damage does that do the economy that he is so fixated reopening - at pretty well any cost. His bacon may well be save by State governors who may be inclined to be a deal more cautions than Trump and his cronies.

How does the whole thing play out, not just politically, but socially?
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Old 6th May 2020, 10:51
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How does the whole thing play out, not just politically, but socially?
Some people are going to get sick and die. Someone else will take the blame.

It use to be God driven, now it is they vs us
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Old 6th May 2020, 11:45
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To be fair I think many countries (the UK included) may eventually have to follow the US's lead and attempt to restart the economy even though the virus is far from contained. Lockdowns can't last forever, and few if any countries can afford a second bailout if/when a second wave occurs.
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Old 6th May 2020, 12:34
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Originally Posted by dead_pan View Post
To be fair I think many countries (the UK included) may eventually have to follow the US's lead and attempt to restart the economy even though the virus is far from contained. Lockdowns can't last forever, and few if any countries can afford a second bailout if/when a second wave occurs.
Yes, but the USA appears to be doing so with indecent haste, we in the UK are a couple of weeks behind continental Europe, and the USA a couple of weeks behind the UK. Moving too quickly for political rather than sound scientific reasons could prove extremely costly, not just for the USA but for other nations that are in denial as regards the virus, it's spread and propensity for killing voters.
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Old 6th May 2020, 13:07
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Originally Posted by ATNotts View Post
Yes, but the USA appears to be doing so with indecent haste, we in the UK are a couple of weeks behind continental Europe, and the USA a couple of weeks behind the UK. Moving too quickly for political rather than sound scientific reasons could prove extremely costly, not just for the USA but for other nations that are in denial as regards the virus, it's spread and propensity for killing voters.

You cannot compare the UK and US response simply because the circumstances are so different. In the UK most people who have been furloughed are on 80% government support and many love just taking the time off without the pressures of work. In the US if you lose your job you have to apply for welfare and due to the massive amount of people now claiming many systems are failing with people unable to get help. In the meantime you also tend to lose your health insurance, car loans are due, rent is due, cellphone payments due etc etc. Then you have to eat and with no money you are dependent on foodbanks. In the meantime food supplies are becoming erratic with the food supply chain breaking down.

So is it really any wonder there is more demand to allow people to work in the US than the UK?
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Old 6th May 2020, 14:15
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More Virus Information Emerges

May 05-- Scientists have identified a new strain of the coronavirus that has become dominant worldwide and appears to be more contagious than the versions that spread in the early days of the COVID-19 pandemic, according to a new study led by scientists at Los Alamos National Laboratory.

The new strain appeared in February in Europe, migrated quickly to the East Coast of the United States and has been the dominant strain across the world since mid-March, the scientists wrote.

In addition to spreading faster, it may make people vulnerable to a second infection after a first bout with the disease, the report warned.

The 33-page report was posted Thursday on BioRxiv, a website that researchers use to share their work before it is peer reviewed, an effort to speed up collaborations with scientists working on COVID-19 vaccines or treatments. That research has been largely based on the genetic sequence of earlier strains and might not be effective against the new one.

The mutation identified in the new report affects the now infamous spikes on the exterior of the coronavirus, which allow it to enter human respiratory cells. The report's authors said they felt an "urgent need for an early warning" so that vaccines and drugs under development around the world will be effective against the mutated strain.

Wherever the new strain appeared, it quickly infected far more people than the earlier strains that came out of Wuhan, China, and within weeks it was the only strain that was prevalent in some nations, according to the report. The new strain's dominance over its predecessors demonstrates that it is more infectious, according to the report, though exactly why is not yet known.

The coronavirus, known to scientists as SARS-CoV-2, has infected more than 3.5 million people around the world and caused more than 250,000 COVID-19 deaths since its discovery late last year.

The report was based on a computational analysis of more than 6,000 coronavirus sequences from around the world, collected by the Global Initiative for Sharing All Influenza Data, a public-private organization in Germany. Time and again, the analysis found the new version was transitioning to become dominant.

The Los Alamos team, assisted by scientists at Duke University and the University of Sheffield in England, identified 14 mutations. Those mutations occurred among the nearly 30,000 base pairs of RNA that other scientists say make up the coronavirus's genome. The report authors focused on a mutation called D614G, which is responsible for the change in the virus' spikes.

"The story is worrying, as we see a mutated form of the virus very rapidly emerging, and over the month of March becoming the dominant pandemic form," study leader Bette Korber, a computational biologist at Los Alamos, wrote on her Facebook page. "When viruses with this mutation enter a population, they rapidly begin to take over the local epidemic, thus they are more transmissible."
As reported in the LA Times
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Old 6th May 2020, 14:16
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Originally Posted by cashash View Post
You cannot compare the UK and US response simply because the circumstances are so different. In the UK most people who have been furloughed are on 80% government support and many love just taking the time off without the pressures of work. In the US if you lose your job you have to apply for welfare and due to the massive amount of people now claiming many systems are failing with people unable to get help. In the meantime you also tend to lose your health insurance, car loans are due, rent is due, cellphone payments due etc etc. Then you have to eat and with no money you are dependent on foodbanks. In the meantime food supplies are becoming erratic with the food supply chain breaking down.

So is it really any wonder there is more demand to allow people to work in the US than the UK?
It's very unfortunate that the USA doesn't have a safety net of any meaningful sort, and it is understandable that people who have been laid off with no safety net to support them, and as you say, no health insurance might want to get back to work. That frankly is the fault of the US system rather than the people. Perhaps, just perhaps, in the wake of this there may be something of a realisation among the population that it's because of the way the US does things they have been put in this unfortunate situation, and that the idea of voting for a president who is prepared develop some kind of welfare state, even if very limited may be appealing.

Of course this won't happen, as anyone who suggested such an idea would be labelled a rabid socialist at best, a "commie" at worst, and as the USA is so insular many Americans who have lost their jobs through this pandemic probably don't even appreciate that around the developed world most countries do it rather differently.
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Old 6th May 2020, 15:41
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Originally Posted by ATNotts View Post
It's very unfortunate that the USA doesn't have a safety net of any meaningful sort, and it is understandable that people who have been laid off with no safety net to support them, and as you say, no health insurance might want to get back to work. That frankly is the fault of the US system rather than the people. Perhaps, just perhaps, in the wake of this there may be something of a realisation among the population that it's because of the way the US does things they have been put in this unfortunate situation, and that the idea of voting for a president who is prepared develop some kind of welfare state, even if very limited may be appealing.

Of course this won't happen, as anyone who suggested such an idea would be labelled a rabid socialist at best, a "commie" at worst, and as the USA is so insular many Americans who have lost their jobs through this pandemic probably don't even appreciate that around the developed world most countries do it rather differently.
Yup, and that must be the reason that drives many of the other countries citizens to want to immigrate to the US
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Old 6th May 2020, 15:45
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Originally Posted by lomapaseo View Post
Yup, and that must be the reason that drives many of the other countries citizens to want to immigrate to the US
Imagine that, there are worse places in the world than the USoA? Not that's a surprise.
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Old 6th May 2020, 17:03
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Originally Posted by cashash View Post
if you lose your job you have to apply for welfare and due to the massive amount of people now claiming many systems are failing with people unable to get help. In the meantime you also tend to lose your health insurance, car loans are due, rent is due, cellphone payments due etc etc. Then you have to eat and with no money you are dependent on foodbanks. In the meantime food supplies are becoming erratic with the food supply chain breaking down.
Bigly brain had a term for that didn't he? Shoothole county or something like that?
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Old 6th May 2020, 17:21
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Jared Kushner's shadow coronavirus task force used a spreadsheet called 'VIP Update' to procure PPE from inexperienced high-profile Trump allies over legitimate vendors

Removed US coronavirus vaccine director files stunning whistleblower complaint claiming warnings were ignored

https://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/watch/dr...ce-83049542002

https://www.scribd.com/document/4600...int#from_embed


He argued to White House officials that the use of the drugs, which the federal Food and Drug Administration later warned against using, lacked “scientific merit” while the administration pushed to “flood” parts of the US with drugs “imported from factories in Pakistan and India that had not been inspected by the FDA”, the complaint says. ...

He "repeatedly clashed" with his boss, Dr Robert Kadlec, HHS assistant secretary for preparedness and response, over the "outsized role" of pharmaceutical consultant of John Clerici within the agency, the complaint says. To justify extending funding to a pharmaceutical company, Mr Clerici said the CEO was "a friend of Jared Kushner," the president's senior advisor and son-in-law, according to the complaint. ...

The complaint also details attempts by Dr Kadlec, the HHS assistant secretary for preparedness and response, to bypass Dr Bright for funding.

Mr Kadlec had failed to inform Congress about his long-standing relationship with Emergent Biosolutions, which received a government contract worth more than $2 billion.

His efforts undermined “all rules and procedures designed to ensure public safety and to avoid corruption in the award of billions of dollars in government funds” as Dr Bright and others spent “valuable time” during the pandemic “fending off improper and often illegal requests from private industry and their agents”, the complaint says.

Under pressure from the Trump administration to promote anti-malaria drugs for several weeks, Dr Bright says he “exhausted all efforts to protect patients” from the unproven drug and “wrestled with what he felt was both a moral and a professional obligation to save lives and protect Americans”.

“He knew that providing this information to a journalist would place him further at odds with HHS leadership,” the complaint says. “However as the death toll mounted exponentially each day, Dr Bright concluded he was left with no choice, and he had a clear obligation to the American public, particularly those vulnerable as a result of illness from Covid-19, to protect it from drugs which he firmly believed constituted a substantial and specific danger to public health and public safety.”
Every single thing that's had Jared Kushners hands on it has been used to carry political favour and financial gain. Trump et al are the swamp.

Here is a video highlighting what happens when you remove congressional/independent oversight and have access to 2 trillion dollars. Trump and his co-conspirators can and do literally whatever they want for personal, political and financial gain.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14Yg...ature=youtu.be

Intro: 0:00

Step 1: Eliminate oversight: 0:58

Step 2: Remove the top watchdog and replace with an ally overseeing the distribution of the $2 trillion dollars: 1:24

Step 3: Enact the Defense Production Act to eliminate competition: 1:45

Step 4: Attack any company that does not play by your rules: 2:12

Step 5. Create further demand for supplies due to scarcity: 2:48

Step 6: Get trusted allies to create private companies to which you can funnel money into: 3:41

Step 7: Sell stock piles to your allies for cheap: 4:43

Step 8: Use taxpayers money to further reduce prices to ship to private companies: 6:23

Step 9: Cause a bidding war between states: 7:05

Step 10: Continue to rapidly distribute the funds to your allies without any oversight: 8:19


These are the main sources used in the video but please look here for the additional sources used.

Intro:Step 1: Eliminate oversight:Step 2: Remove the top watchdog and replace with an ally overseeing the distribution of the $2 trillion dollars:Step 3: Enact the Defence Production Act to eliminate competition:Step 4: Attack any company that does not play by your rules:Step 5: Create further demand for supplies due to scarcity:Step 6: Get trusted allies to create private companies to which you can funnel money into:Step 7: Sell stock piles to your allies for cheap:Step 8: Use taxpayers money to further reduce prices to ship to private companies:Step 9: Cause a bidding war between states:Step 10: Continue to rapidly distribute the funds to your allies without any oversight:
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Old 6th May 2020, 17:32
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Originally Posted by Ancient Mariner View Post
Imagine that, there are worse places in the world than the USoA? Not that's a surprise.
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I think theres a bit more too it than that as you will struggle to find any country that has more US emigrants living there compared with the number of their own citizens who have decamped to the US.
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Old 7th May 2020, 01:38
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Originally Posted by wtsmg View Post
Jared Kushner's shadow coronavirus task force used a spreadsheet called 'VIP Update' to procure PPE from inexperienced high-profile Trump allies over legitimate vendors

Removed US coronavirus vaccine director files stunning whistleblower complaint claiming warnings were ignored

https://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/watch/dr...ce-83049542002

https://www.scribd.com/document/4600...int#from_embed



Every single thing that's had Jared Kushners hands on it has been used to carry political favour and financial gain. Trump et al are the swamp.

Here is a video highlighting what happens when you remove congressional/independent oversight and have access to 2 trillion dollars. Trump and his co-conspirators can and do literally whatever they want for personal, political and financial gain.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14Yg...ature=youtu.be

Intro: 0:00

Step 1: Eliminate oversight: 0:58

Step 2: Remove the top watchdog and replace with an ally overseeing the distribution of the $2 trillion dollars: 1:24

Step 3: Enact the Defense Production Act to eliminate competition: 1:45

Step 4: Attack any company that does not play by your rules: 2:12

Step 5. Create further demand for supplies due to scarcity: 2:48

Step 6: Get trusted allies to create private companies to which you can funnel money into: 3:41

Step 7: Sell stock piles to your allies for cheap: 4:43

Step 8: Use taxpayers money to further reduce prices to ship to private companies: 6:23

Step 9: Cause a bidding war between states: 7:05

Step 10: Continue to rapidly distribute the funds to your allies without any oversight: 8:19


These are the main sources used in the video but please look here for the additional sources used.

Intro:Step 1: Eliminate oversight:Step 2: Remove the top watchdog and replace with an ally overseeing the distribution of the $2 trillion dollars:Step 3: Enact the Defence Production Act to eliminate competition:Step 4: Attack any company that does not play by your rules:Step 5: Create further demand for supplies due to scarcity:Step 6: Get trusted allies to create private companies to which you can funnel money into:Step 7: Sell stock piles to your allies for cheap:Step 8: Use taxpayers money to further reduce prices to ship to private companies:Step 9: Cause a bidding war between states:Step 10: Continue to rapidly distribute the funds to your allies without any oversight:
It's the American way. What's the problem? The US has the best gov money can buy. Even a Russian money launderer can become president. .An honest politician is one when you buy him, he stays bought.
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Old 7th May 2020, 11:09
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Originally Posted by Orange future View Post
Spot on. Trump is the most disinterested and disconnected President I have ever seen. He really is accidental.

Just take a look at how he reads his notes, its obvious he is reading some items for the first time ever.

He is the conservative’s wet dream, a disinterested leader who rubber stamps any conservative agenda under the cover of night but who also has skeletons in his closet that can be trotted out anytime when leverage is needed.
funny you noticed it
when I bring up this lack of concern about reading his material (probably Kushner prepared nonsense) trumpists become blind and irrational and most are naively unaware of what is going on. We actually enjoy watching with the wife the contrast between what he is told to read (politically cleaned and pré digested ) and when he begins to ramble and stick his foot in his mouth. Very entertaining.
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