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Old 1st May 2020, 15:06
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You seem very confused as of lately. There are two persons that have absolutely no empathy for immigrants, Donald J. Trump and his imbecilic advisor, Stephen Miller.
Turbine, it's an easy mistake to make, but I fixed it for you...

You seem very confused as of lately. There are two persons that have absolutely no empathy for immigrants, Stephen Miller and his imbecilic advisor, Donald J. Trump .
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Old 1st May 2020, 15:09
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Or we could continue as above...
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Old 1st May 2020, 15:09
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Two's in, thank you!
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Old 1st May 2020, 15:24
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Originally Posted by cashash View Post
He was trailing in the polls in 2016 - according to the New York Times review of all the polling he had only a 15% chance of winning..

​​​​​​Where have I heard that before? You'd have thought everyone would have learnt their lesson about investing so much in opinion polls so early on.
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Old 1st May 2020, 17:09
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Originally Posted by PDR1 View Post
It's becoming clear that this isn't some Trump aberration - it's a core Republican value. The Republican party stands for lies, fraud and the murder of children with guns. They claim this isn't so, but their actions give the lie to their words. So it's up to the public to man-up and decide where they stand. If they include lying, fraud, homicide that the utter absence of any personal morality and integrity to be their own defining characteristics then they should vote for Trump. If they wish to be seen otherwise then they must vote for someone else (anyone else - there are always a range of independents to choose from if you can't vote Democrat). This "I'm a moral person with integrity but I vote for the Lying Orange Sexual Abuser" thing just doesn't stack up - it's an apologist/disciple excuse that simply betrays a total lack of moral fibre. Those who can't stop voting for Trump should perhaps affirm their loyalty by injecting a couple of litres of bleach as The Donald Commands - remember that under The Donald the Federal Government has absolute power, so you're probably committing a federal crime by not obeying this command anyway...

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Its simple enough. The Republican party is about maintaining the status quo. For some of those who are have done OK out of the least meritocratic system in the western world, it is highly desirable to keep things as they are. Reducing inequality and poverty would only threaten their privilege. Some also enjoy being able to feel superior to less fortunate people. As in the UK and other countries lacking social mobility, everyone who has done OK believes they are the exception to the probable fact it was the system rather than any ability they have, that got them where they are.

Of course that isn't enough people to win an election. So the Republican party also shamelessly goes hard on whatever social issues that get people's blood up, god, guns, abortion etc. to divert attention form the fact it's whole reason to be is to keep those people down, make sure the status quo doesn't change, and protect corporate wealth. You think Republicans in the senate are all actually Christian's? You think anyone actively supporting a system they know to crush people into a life of poverty is actually Christian? It's a convenient label to claim to be good while knowingly doing immense harm. For some it is a way of convincing themselves they must be good even though all their actions go against it. No-one believes Jesus would have been a Republican. (I'm athiest but I have immense respect for Jesus as the first socialist, say that to the MAGA crowd and see what happens!)

That is why many here can never express an actual positive reason they voted for Trump. To do so would admit their own complete self interest, and actual desire to prevent the American dream rather than enable it. Anyone with half a brain knows the American dream is a myth to keep the downtrodden downtrodden with the illusion of hope. It shows the huge insecurity of these people that they are so terrified that if anyone is elected who makes any effort to make things fairer and reward ability, they might lose their place. It's really quite sad, you almost feel sorry for them. So all the strange rantings you see here, wild claims about viruses as conspiracies, strange double standards about protests against lockdown, versus people who have the temerity to kneel to the national anthem, are all very obvious shows of their insecurity, and fear of anyone pointing out reality. Their reckoning is coming, and they know it, hence the increasing desperation.

Yes people from dirt poor countries want to move to the US. So? People from dirt poor countries want to move to anywhere wealthier. There is huge Chinese immigration to Africa. There are Americans moving to Europe and vice versa. Using the migration argument to try and prove anything doesn't show a great deal of thinking.

Don't expect to change their mind on anything with facts. They are not interested. Their position is not based on policies or improving the country or empathy or morality. It is purely based on making sure the system doesn't change. Hence why you will never see some here actually engage in a debate on facts, as just noted, call them out on their BS and you'll just get an insult and a sulk. Their dear leaders influence is clear!
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Old 1st May 2020, 17:30
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Originally Posted by dead_pan View Post
​​​​​​Where have I heard that before? You'd have thought everyone would have learnt their lesson about investing so much in opinion polls so early on.
POUTUS has been tweeting about favourable polls since he was elected. He either ignores less favourable ones or calls them Fake News. Wonder why he has stopped giving his free campaign rallies, I mean Coronavirus Taskforce updates? As I suggested after his rediculous press conference regarding internal lights or injecting detergent, he has been advised against it and has been gagged. Hence why he has been reduced to nightly rage tweets.
Someone mentioned his attention to issues. Out of 13 hours of Coronavirus press conferences, he spent a whole 4 and a half minutes expressing sympathy for families of those who had died. About the same as he spent talking his polls and Facebook likes. That is his empathy.
Good question by Acosta the other day regarding the broken tests Trump had inherited from Obama. How can the test kits be broken for a virus that hasn’t even occurred yet? I would have followed up by asking, if he knew they were ‘broken’ when did he know and why did it take him 3 years to do nothing about it?
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Old 1st May 2020, 18:10
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Originally Posted by obgraham View Post
You are right about one thing, OF. A lot of Americans don't take kindly to having their Constitutional rights stepped on. This is certainly not Oz. It could end badly.
There actually is a reason for the 2nd amendment.
OB, so the second amendment exists in order for citizens to push back against what they perceive to be a “stepping on” of constitutional rights, these rights being the right to assemble, the right to freely move about without adhering to mandated lockdown conditions.

These rights directly conflict with widely accepted best practices to avoid the spread of a deadly virus that has thus far killed 65000 Americans and you have chosen a path that has proven to have deadly outcomes, as have the protestors.

Also, these practices have been recommended by the President himself in a document entitled “The Presidents Coronavirus guidelines for America”.

To be clear, you support the second amendment to be used to defend against a Government that appears to be curtailing your constitutional rights.

Are you going to vote for this same President in November?
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Old 1st May 2020, 18:35
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Originally Posted by Two's in View Post
Turbine, it's an easy mistake to make, but I fixed it for you...
Spot on. Trump is the most disinterested and disconnected President I have ever seen. He really is accidental.

Just take a look at how he reads his notes, its obvious he is reading some items for the first time ever.

He is the conservative’s wet dream, a disinterested leader who rubber stamps any conservative agenda under the cover of night but who also has skeletons in his closet that can be trotted out anytime when leverage is needed.
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Old 1st May 2020, 19:20
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Originally Posted by meadowrun View Post
The trump political playbook is a thin book.
That's a good way of putting it, in terms of the rhetoric anyway.
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Old 1st May 2020, 19:53
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So basically, you guys just ignored reality, and continued on with your trans-continenental fantasy?
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Old 1st May 2020, 23:21
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Originally Posted by Orange future View Post
These rights directly conflict with widely accepted best practices to avoid the spread of a deadly virus that has thus far killed 65000 Americans and you have chosen a path that has proven to have deadly outcomes, as have the protestors.
Important number there - 65,000. That’s the maximum figure for the estimated average yearly toll for influenza fatalities in the US.

COVID hit that figure when the death toll only really started exponentially increasing at the start of April in ONE MONTH!

And that month was the second month of spring. Could you imagine how more widespread it would have been if the virus had undertook exponential spread at the start of winter? Or this year’s autumn/winter?

This should silence any “It’s no worse than the flu” morons but they do have an ability to ignore basic facts.
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Old 2nd May 2020, 00:19
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Originally Posted by golder View Post
I wonder if the meat processors, being economically forced to work, in unsafe conditions under a presidential order and the owners protected from comeback. Will have an armed protest. enter and try to push onto the floor.

I'm not sure what alternative he had. We saw fistfights break out in Walmart when toilet paper ran out so imagine how rapidly society would break down if food supplies ran out.
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Old 2nd May 2020, 01:24
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Originally Posted by dr dre View Post
Important number there - 65,000. That’s the maximum figure for the estimated average yearly toll for influenza fatalities in the US.

COVID hit that figure when the death toll only really started exponentially increasing at the start of April in ONE MONTH!

And that month was the second month of spring. Could you imagine how more widespread it would have been if the virus had undertook exponential spread at the start of winter? Or this year’s autumn/winter?

This should silence any “It’s no worse than the flu” morons but they do have an ability to ignore basic facts.
These are an estimated flu range. The actual recorded flu number is 7,000, that I saw. So like Covid, it is under recorded
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Old 2nd May 2020, 01:32
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Originally Posted by cashash View Post
I'm not sure what alternative he had. We saw fistfights break out in Walmart when toilet paper ran out so imagine how rapidly society would break down if food supplies ran out.
Our supermarkets brought in safe distancing, product purchase limits, shielded the casheers and many other protections. The same can not be said for these meat processors. This is the crime being committed. They are also a hub, that will spread within the wider community. No one is safe, as it is with the spread in the gaol pop.
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Old 2nd May 2020, 03:13
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Originally Posted by golder View Post
These are an estimated flu range. The actual recorded flu number is 7,000, that I saw. So like Covid, it is under recorded
So in fact the COVID toll could be worse than recorded by a factor of 10? Meaning the fact it killed as much in springtime in April as the flu kills in an entire winter season could be increased by a factor of up to 10?

Then America is really in the shitter....
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Old 2nd May 2020, 04:27
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Originally Posted by dr dre View Post
So in fact the COVID toll could be worse than recorded by a factor of 10? Meaning the fact it killed as much in springtime in April as the flu kills in an entire winter season could be increased by a factor of up to 10?

Then America is really in the shitter....
Your wet dream.
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Old 2nd May 2020, 04:50
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Originally Posted by dr dre View Post
So in fact the COVID toll could be worse than recorded by a factor of 10? Meaning the fact it killed as much in springtime in April as the flu kills in an entire winter season could be increased by a factor of up to 10?

Then America is really in the shitter....
From an outsiders point of view it does look that way.
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Your wet dream.
Is the US living the dream at the moment?

I wouldn't want to be in any care home at this moment in time, but particularly not one of the big ones in the US.

Would Hillary have handled it better?
(the alternative offered by the Dems to Trump and the main reason why there is a President Trump)

Would Obama have handled it better?
(the alternative not available to Trump)

Could Cuomo handle it better next year?
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Old 2nd May 2020, 04:53
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Would Hillary have handled it better?
(the alternative offered by the Dems to Trump)

Would Obama have handled it better?
(the alternative not available to Trump)

Impossible to tell. But surely nearly everybody (apart from the most ardent Trumpists) would agree they couldn’t have done much worse.
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Old 2nd May 2020, 05:36
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Originally Posted by dr dre View Post
So in fact the COVID toll could be worse than recorded by a factor of 10? Meaning the fact it killed as much in springtime in April as the flu kills in an entire winter season could be increased by a factor of up to 10?

Then America is really in the shitter....
If you go by hospital admissions and deaths in hospitals, you can then calc the numbers better. But even taking the 70k dead and it's a lot more than that. At a 1% death rate, it's 7 million cases. Where their count is 1 million

Uk does even worse in their counting and per capita has a worse outbreak than the US. I think Boris and Trump both need flogging.
Both testing rates are abysmal. A good testing rate has a 1-1.5% positive result, neither country comes close
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Old 5th May 2020, 11:37
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Former President George W. Bush urged the nation in a video message to show compassion and empathy during a “challenging and solemn time in the life our nation and world.”

In a rare moment of compassion and empathy President Trump rallied to the call


“Oh bye the way, I appreciate the message from former President Bush, but where was he during Impeachment calling for putting partisanship aside.” @foxandfriends He was nowhere to be found in speaking up against the greatest Hoax in American history!

Not content with this, the latest ad by the Republican Lincoln Project seems to have sent him off on a 1 AM rage tweet fest against all RINOs.

He is adding to his long line of detractors to include Republicans.

Biden, sit back and watch him unravel while you look almost Presidential. Those Republicans on the fence must be wondering.




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