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[Lonewolf_50]

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[West Coast]

Expect nothing less from a US Marine.

[Lonewolf_50]

Originally Posted by West Coast

Expect nothing less from a US Marine.

I was in high school when this went down; it was a big story on the TV news and it got coverage in the Washington Post.
Man, that's a long time ago.

[Crownstay01]

Originally Posted by West Coast

Time for Oz to enter China’s orbit then.

That happened long ago. They're our largest trading partner. They have 99-year leases on the ports of Darwin and Newcastle. Chinese interests own vast tracts of farmland, and many former Australian-owned companies are now in Chinese hands.

They run the suburban rail network in Melbourne and the metro in Sydney. They built 119 eight-car trains for the Sydney suburban rail network. They're also supplying diesel locos to some of the private freight operators. Chinese-made vehicles, particularly buses, are gaining market share.

For better or worse we're well within China's orbit.

[Crownstay01]

Originally Posted by West Coast

To be a client state of China means Australia will be called from time to time to do China’s bidding. Before your time Aussie troops were in Vietnam at their master’s call. During your time Aussie troops were in Iraq and Afghanistan. Aussie navy subs because of their small size have spied on your future masters at the behest of the US. Being a client state comes at a cost.

During our short history we've been a client state of the UK, and subsequently the US. All that will change is the identity of the nation we're subservient to.

[obgraham]

Originally Posted by Crownstay01

During our short history we've been a client state of the UK, and subsequently the US. All that will change is the identity of the nation we're subservient to.

Then it sounds like your nation should expend less effort on blaming others for a perceived lack of relevance, and devote more to growing a pair of cojones.

[Crownstay01]

Originally Posted by West Coast

You might want to have a chat with the Covid positive Aussie skiers in Colorado who just had to get a few more runs in.

The Liberal party donors from Portsea? I doubt that they're the sort of people Dr Dre would associate with. Neither would I.

[SMT Member]

Originally Posted by Lonewolf_50

It was an attempt at a joke, but as with many jokes, sometimes the timing may not be just right.

The lengths and mental gymnastics Drumpf supporters will go to in order to defend the indefensible, is quite honestly staggering. Drumpf hasn't got a single humorous strand in his vastly inflated wreck of a body, and the concept of irony or self-mockery is totally alien to him. But, sure, after finding out he just advanced the idea of injecting poison into the bodies of his supremely stupid countrymen, he backs down with 'it was a joke'. Sure it was, just like I've got a bridge in London and a tower in Paris up for sale.

[Crownstay01]

Originally Posted by obgraham

Then it sounds like your nation should expend less effort on blaming others for a perceived lack of relevance

When did that happen?

and devote more to growing a pair of cojones.

If you mean balls, say so. I don't speak Spanish.

Regardless, it won't happen. For most of our short history we've been governed by grovellers and bootlickers. I can only think of three instances where our pollies stood up to the UK or the US, and it didn't end well for any of them.

[Crownstay01]

Originally Posted by FollowTheSupper

Now why would somebody have said that…? And why would they have said it to you…?

By my reading this curious statement comes across as: “I have a handler who has been offering me encouragement to post on this forum”…? So, do you earn income or any other benefit, from these posts? Are the views that you are being encouraged to post, actually your own… or do ethics not trouble you anyway, when you are being paid…?

Are you therefore part of an organised cell (e.g. possibly including Brakes on and Turbine D, who I note you thanked for coming to your assistance in post# 21163, and perhaps Orange Future for the gushing praise in post #21185)…?

This is satire, yeah? Because by my reading, if it's not, you're as mad as a cut snake.

[alicopter]

Originally Posted by obgraham

The Chinese.In time they'll be movin' on out.

Just a suggestion... watch the documentaries on ARTE.TV about the "New Silk Road" ("Technologies de surveillance" and "The Chinese Dream). In French, German or English and with English subtitles if you wish. (The only, in recent years, decent watchable TV in my opinion!)

[meadowrun]

All that will change is the identity of the nation we're subservient to.

Don't bet on it. As much of a thorn it is/was to be chronically thought of as a lesser country (typing from one)(and I don't consider us "lesser" at all),
the stronger influence of the Chinese Communist Party's Government of China will have no benefits other than some transient lucre, a temporary benefit.
You are dealing with a hard-line communist mentality proven to have little merit for the world other than providing shipping containers full of stuff.
Their agenda is not yours or ours and it is non-negotiable. You're always the long range loser. The ties with the UK, the Commonwealth and the US will seem like the good old days.
Other than Cuba having lots of good doctors, I can think of no redeeming qualities in any communist system and can think of no possible
good reason for your, or our, or anyone's closer association with them. There are alternatives, always, work on them.

[dr dre]

Originally Posted by meadowrun

, I can think of no redeeming qualities in any communist system.

Is the system that bought hundreds of millions of Chinese out of poverty into the middle class in the last 25 years called communism?

Is the system that’s shrunk the US middle class and flatlined real wages for 40 years called capitalism?

[West Coast]

Originally Posted by dr dre

Is the system that bought hundreds of millions of Chinese out of poverty into the middle class in the last 25 years called communism?

Is the system that’s shrunk the US middle class and flatlined real wages for 40 years called capitalism?

It was limited capitalism that the Chinese govt managed/tolerated that allowed the rise of Chinese mide class. Don't claim otherwise.

If you had to spend the next decade in either the US or Hong Kong, being a political malcontent that you are, which would you choose?

Pretty sure you're backed yourself into a corner with your adulation of China coupled with your hatred of the US to answer HK.

[ATSA1]

Hong Kong....isnt that where ex US Navy pilots fly cargo planes full of rubber dogsh*t?

[neila83]

Originally Posted by FollowTheSupper

Now why would somebody have said that…? And why would they have said it to you…?

By my reading this curious statement comes across as: “I have a handler who has been offering me encouragement to post on this forum”…? So, do you earn income or any other benefit, from these posts? Are the views that you are being encouraged to post, actually your own… or do ethics not trouble you anyway, when you are being paid…?

Are you therefore part of an organised cell (e.g. possibly including Brakes on and Turbine D, who I note you thanked for coming to your assistance in post# 21163, and perhaps Orange Future for the gushing praise in post #21185)?

As I am sure that you have some talents, have you ever considered that agitation and propaganda (with its implied requirement for an aptitude for maintaining Operational Security… a military term, but it boils down to “not blowing your cover and that of your co-conspirators”)… are perhaps not tasks that you excel at…?


... and your handler “knows” this how...? (And worse still… you presumably never challenged this assertion when you heard it…? So, the very pinnacle of free thinking on your part, eh…?)

And why was the term “in the US” used, rather than “in this country”…? Stinks rather of “organised foreign interference”, rather than spontaneous comments from individuals around the world, does it not…? Is that justified and ethical in a democracy…? Now where did I last hear people complaining about organised foreign interference…?

Ever heard of a “silent majority”…? By definition, you won’t hear from them… but that doesn’t necessarily mean that they don’t exist. (Very occasionally, they even swing elections, too… imagine that!) Just because your organised group pontificates prolifically on this forum, is not proof that your published views are widely shared by the many thousands who come here to read, but who also don’t post… as perhaps (very sensibly) they decline to have their political views associated with their e-mail addresses.

I have no great wish to depress you further, but there is a principle of propaganda theory that if you repeat accusations often enough… then they will eventually influence people. However, that theory also relies upon the members of the audience being stupid, and being unable to think for themselves. And you post this on a forum whose readership is mainly associated with a highly-professional activity, generally requiring above-average technical and leadership skills…?

To end on an optimistic note, can I perhaps suggest that the following improvements might be in order… a change of forum, a change of username, a change of writing style (it’s amazing what a detailed analysis Anti-plagiarism Software can make these days)… and perhaps a home-study course in ethics…?

Is this for real? The 'someone' I was referring to was a post in this thread that may a light hearted comment about remembering the posts here don't represent most Americans. It'd be a bit weird to say 'in this country' given that I'm not you know, in the country. Sorry you wasted you time with all that....

Thanks for the laugh, if only I did get paid! That's two of you now who have come out as consiparacy loons. I'd say the evidence for some here suffering paranoid delusions is rather stronger than any organised foreign interference. I like this mass of thousands you have created in your mind silently nodding along with all your posts who apparently are too scared to associate their political views with their email addresses. The entertainment value here gets better every day, this lockdown is really bringing out the crazy.

I may not be good at propaganda, but I seem to have you riled you dear, looking under the bed for foreign agents. I'm not sure yourself, OB, and WC would be a high priority for any foreign power looking to influence US politics, sorry to break it to you. I'm just here to kill the hours occasionally, you'll see I'm not a consistent visitor. Posting here is probably a sign I need to get back to more yoga.

Anywaaaay, that bizarre interlude over I'm off to get my new orders from my handler. Oh damn I let it slip, I am bad at this!

[Orange future]

[QUOTE=West Coast;10762895]To be a client state of China means Australia will be called from time to time to do China’s bidding. Before your time Aussie troops were in Vietnam at their master’s call. QUOTE]

Australia's master being.......?

[Orange future]

Originally Posted by obgraham

If you lot in Oz think you'll be best off by cozying up to China and Russia, I say, knock yourselves out and go for it.

But perhaps before you do, could you tell me some other country that has gained by being in cahoots with them?

Look forward instead of backwards my friend, the answer is not in the past although thinking that way is a trap many former hegemons fall for.

[Crownstay01]

[QUOTE=Orange future;10763951]

Originally Posted by West Coast

To be a client state of China means Australia will be called from time to time to do China’s bidding. Before your time Aussie troops were in Vietnam at their master’s call. QUOTE]

Australia's master being.......?

At the time, the US. Remember good old Harold Holt? All the way with LBJ?

[magyarflyer]

Originally Posted by Lonewolf_50

It was an attempt at a joke, but as with many jokes, sometimes the timing may not be just right.

you must be kidding yourself
you sound like the Georgetown followers that took poison following their leader. Maybe a bit of Lysol will be good for you. No one in the entire world believes that he was joking except those that belong to the trumpism religion. Wake up.