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Old 11th Apr 2020, 23:04
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Revnetwork, when the video you linked was made, wasn't Obama the President? What did he actually do to prepare for a pandemic? Or was it simply his usual practice of trying to deflect action to those who came after, and blame to those who came before?
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Old 11th Apr 2020, 23:14
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Reading time for some........

Did Obama fail to replenish the PPE Stockpile despite warnings?


Our rating: True

We rate this claim TRUE because it is supported by our research. There is no indication that the Obama administration took significant steps to replenish the supply of N95 masks in the Strategic National Stockpile after it was depleted from repeated crises. Calls for action came from experts at the time concerned for the country’s ability to respond to future serious pandemics. Such recommendations were, for whatever reason, not heeded.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...le/5114319002/

The rest of the story is the Trump Administration was handed and nearly empty box......and did not get cranked up on refilling it until the outbreak of the current Virus.

He did go outside government for sources as was recommended by the Bush Administration Report on the Situation dated 2005.

Ya'll do provide us a List of Nations that were and remain sufficient stockpiles of Masks and other PPE.....as it will be a very short one....it should not take you very long to come up with it.
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Old 12th Apr 2020, 00:03
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The usual suspects keep asking what Trump has DONE as opposed to what he has SAID that we have issue with. My answer would be EVERYTHING. Hopefully it will finally dawn on some peole that as the President of the most powerful country in the world, what you say is almost the same as what you do.
This is especially important with recent polling showing that Republicans trust Trump more than the CDC for coronavirus information. They still refuse to accept this entire mess up is Trumps fault and still return to Obama even though Trump has been in charge for 75% of a normal Presidential term and Obama has been in retirement since january 2017. How long would it have taken to fill those PPE shelves you keep saying he left empty? 1 year, 2 years, 3 years? or never?

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That was a speech by Obama asking for funding so he could prepare for the next pandemic. When he left the White House, his National security team also walked the incoming administration through their work and plans but no one was interested. In response to what did Obama actually do? He created the White House Pandemic Response Team. I will leave links below to what happened to it after Trump came in to the white house with fact checks so you can decide for yourself if the US would have had a better response if not for their inaction.
https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-f...-idUSKBN21C32M

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Old 12th Apr 2020, 00:14
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SASless. From your link

ProPublica reported on April 3 that congressional budget battles in the early years of the Obama administration contributed to stockpile shortages. But the article notes available funds were used not to replenish masks: "With limited resources, officials in charge of the stockpile tend to focus on buying lifesaving drugs from small biotechnology firms that would, in the absence of a government buyer, have no other market for their products, experts said. Masks and other protective equipment are in normal times widely available and thus may not have been prioritized for purchase, they said."

During the presidency of Donald Trump, analysts have warned the United States is not prepared for a serious pandemic.

'Gross misjudment':Experts say Trump's decision to disband pandemic team hindered coronavirus response

“We assess that the United States and the world will remain vulnerable to the next flu pandemic or large scale outbreak of a contagious disease that could lead to massive rates of death and disability, severely affect the world economy, strain international resources, and increase calls on the United States for support,” the 2019 World Threat Assessment from the Office of the Director of National Intelligence states.

The Trump administration has not taken significant steps to replenish the masks in the Strategic National Stockpile.
Republicans also tend to forget how the party of "NO" frustrated Obama at every turn when he requested funding and now turn around to blame his administration for not replenishing the stockpile.
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Old 12th Apr 2020, 00:21
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Originally Posted by Orange future View Post
We live in scary times, watch as the war rhetoric against China ramps up.
I’m reminded of how the US extracted so much goodwill globally because of things like the Marshall plan to
rebuild Europe.

What are the Americans seen to be doing now? Nothing. Banning shipments of goods to other countries like Canada. Stealing masks bound for Germany. Attempts to bribe and gain exclusive access to vaccine patents.

China - suppling medical staff to Italy, equipment all around the world. In my country (Australia) the critical medical supplies like ventilators are coming from China. Not the US.

I know it’s “America first” but your international reputation is taking a big hit with your selfish response to this pandemic. If you want international support for punitive action against China post pandemic (not that they deserve it but that’s a topic for a different thread) you aren’t going to get it because you’ve proven to every else to be only look out for yourselves.
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Old 12th Apr 2020, 00:31
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Originally Posted by obgraham View Post
You wrote a lot, but said nothing.
"failure to take command" is nothing? It would seem you are in severe denial or this is too general for you.
Let me give you a few specific examples, and yes I disagree with them: Should be obvious, but you seem to be so hung up of this being expressively mentioned.
  • He dismantled the whole Pandemic Response Team created by Obama. It had to go therefore, of course.
  • He cut the CDC budget.
  • He refused the WHO offer for masks. The CDC bungled the job. Weeks were lost.
  • Was briefed by Azar and Navarro end January (claims, of course, to know nothing about it. Resulting action: none.
  • Delayed the declaration of a national emergency to March 13, six weeks after he 'stopped traffic' from China. Since it was 'stopped' about 40,000 people did arrive in the US, coming from China.
  • Sent tons of PPE to China from the national stockpile, which were never replaced.
  • Delayed declaration of the Defense Production Act and then delayed it's implementation.

    As to alternatives : swift and decisive action is all that would have been needed. (see South Korea, Taiwan, Singapore) For once put the country and it's people before your ME, ME, ME.
And finally: I don't hate Trump. I see him as a complete failure of Mother Nature and a member of the human race.
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Old 12th Apr 2020, 00:48
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ects keep asking what Trump has DONE as opposed to what he has SAID that we have issue with. My answer would be EVERYTHING.
Now that narrows it right down.

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Old 12th Apr 2020, 00:48
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Brakes, I find it a little off-putting to be lectured here on a board dealing with US politics, on the failures in our response to Cv19, by a poster claiming to reside in Germany.
This same Germany which told the Italians to bugger off when they requested German assistance. The same Germany which has banned all export of PPE now.

Pots snd kettles comes to mind.
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Old 12th Apr 2020, 01:35
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CNN dropped the ball






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Old 12th Apr 2020, 01:36
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Originally Posted by obgraham View Post
Brakes, I find it a little off-putting to be lectured here on a board dealing with US politics, on the failures in our response to Cv19, by a poster claiming to reside in Germany.
This same Germany which told the Italians to bugger off when they requested German assistance. The same Germany which has banned all export of PPE now.

Pots snd kettles comes to mind.
A convenient diversion away from their own country’s ills, doesn’t matter the topic.
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Old 12th Apr 2020, 02:24
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There is light outside the cave, some prefer to stay in the dark..
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Old 12th Apr 2020, 02:46
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Even liberals can tire of the pc politics. If you’re easily offended or certain vulgarities bother you, pass on watching.

For the US haters, take a listen, Bill Maher rips into American group think, should be music to your ears.

It’s liberal group think, but nonetheless...
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Old 12th Apr 2020, 03:10
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“Except that you don't like Trump.”

Fascinating insight into your view of politics.

What if the poster did like Trump but thought his management of the virus was poor. Are we permitted to take such a view.

What if, like most educated rational people, the poster left his/her opinion as to Trump’s likability at the door and formed an opinion based upon Trump’s actions instead.

The commentary you are receiving here is based largely upon people who don’t live or vote in the US, me included, but who have a reasonably impartial view from afar.

Trump is the subject of much derision around the globe not because because people don’t like him. Its because people see him for the scam artist he is. No body climbed out of bed and decided that disliking Trump was the thought du jour.

If you were to remove the gang colors you wear proudly like a medal and take a critical view of Trump and acknowledge that, like MOST people in politics, he is an egotistical, self centered, self aggrandizing twit it won’t reflect poorly on you personally, people will still like you.

But to finally be free of the tribalism surrounding politics means you will see clearly how the world around you really works.

“The rest of the story is the Trump Administration was handed and nearly empty box……”

No, not correct. But remind me how much time the Trump team has had to rectify this problem?
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Old 12th Apr 2020, 03:58
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The commentary you are receiving here is based largely upon people who don’t live or vote in the US, me included, but who have an unhealthy obsession from afar.
Fixed it for you. You’re welcome.
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Old 12th Apr 2020, 04:44
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There is a strong possibility that the so-called Spanish flu started in Kansas, with the first case being observed in January 1918. It then probably spread to Etaples in France before spreading on to other places in Europe and elsewhere. It was only called Spanish flu because Spain was neutral during WW1, so the outbrake of flu was widely reported there, whereas in the rest of Europe the combatant nations censored this information in the own countries.

Let's not get hung up on the names, perhaps Spanish flu should have been called Kansas flu, and Covid-19 should be called Wuhan flu. That would then reduce the reaction against Asian Americans and conform with the normal naming convention.

Very few countries in Europe seem to have reacted adequately to this latest version of the flu, and neither has America. Yes - I don't like Trump as a man, he has let down the American people in the way he behaves. And he has let down the American people by disbanding so much of the preparatory work put in place by the Obama administration.

The American people deserve better. I have always liked America and Americans, but looking in from the outside, I dispair at the current state of politics in your country. You were once a great nation, but now you are going down hill rapidly. And unlikely to be great again under this president.
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Old 12th Apr 2020, 05:09
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Orange future that just might be the funniest post I have seen here in sges!

And I give it about as much credence as SNL or that other English guy on late night TV. Can't recall his name.
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Old 12th Apr 2020, 05:15
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The other possibility given for the origin of the Spanish flu was the British hospitals tending to the war wounded in France. No one really knows the source, other than it wasn't Spain.
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Old 12th Apr 2020, 06:27
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Originally Posted by SASless View Post
Now that narrows it right down.
https://www.politico.com/news/magazi...navirus-179574

Some reading material for you.
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Old 12th Apr 2020, 07:13
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Originally Posted by Bergerie1 View Post
There is a strong possibility that the so-called Spanish flu started in Kansas, with the first case being observed in January 1918. It then probably spread to Etaples in France before spreading on to other places in Europe and elsewhere. It was only called Spanish flu because Spain was neutral during WW1, so the outbrake of flu was widely reported there, whereas in the rest of Europe the combatant nations censored this information in the own countries.

Let's not get hung up on the names, perhaps Spanish flu should have been called Kansas flu, and Covid-19 should be called Wuhan flu. That would then reduce the reaction against Asian Americans and conform with the normal naming convention.

Very few countries in Europe seem to have reacted adequately to this latest version of the flu, and neither has America. Yes - I don't like Trump as a man, he has let down the American people in the way he behaves. And he has let down the American people by disbanding so much of the preparatory work put in place by the Obama administration.

The American people deserve better. I have always liked America and Americans, but looking in from the outside, I dispair at the current state of politics in your country. You were once a great nation, but now you are going down hill rapidly. And unlikely to be great again under this president.
If it was determined Kansas was the origin, call it the Kansas flu. You won’t get an argument from me as naming a pandemic after its origin isn’t racist.
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Old 12th Apr 2020, 13:53
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Originally Posted by Orange future View Post
No body climbed out of bed and decided that disliking Trump was the thought du jour.
...until they turn on the TV 2 minutes later… and get practically “instructed” by the globalist media to do so…?

After all, you claimed before that the average consumer of politics would not know the difference... (in this case between unbiased, and highly partisan reporting)?

You also claim to be one of the "reasonably impartial"... and then follow it up with the usual one-sided tirade of generalised, unsubstantiated, abuse. However, it is hardly worth debating this, as it is obvious from your previous posts that your problem is much deeper... with the entire US political system.

Therefore, is there a country anywhere in the world which you would advocate as an example of a satisfactory system... or is this just the usual depressive "everything is wrong" thinking...? (The latter is potentially a more destructive disease than the virus pandemic we are currently spending trillions on. Maybe we should do more to protect our healthy but impressionable younger generation from it... given the current trend for locking down the world in order to give perhaps only temporary respite to unfortunate victims, who seem mostly to be already compromised through existing conditions including general frailty, weakened immunity, obesity, etc....?)
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