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Old 17th Mar 2015, 08:12
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What does everyone else think of this theory: The portly one nicked by an undercover team. CS squawks about who he knows is involved. The info gets passed higher up the chain and the order is issued to pull the plug and threaten and/or bribe those in the know, Almost certainly bigger fish involved than Cyril.
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Old 17th Mar 2015, 08:16
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The apparent ease with which investigations into a politician from a minor party has always seemed disproportionate to his status at Westminster. I wouldn't be surprised if there was something in your theory.
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Old 17th Mar 2015, 08:19
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Dont think it is just a theory anymore,they will probably throw a few dead Westminster and Whitehall scumbags to the wolves and hold off any kind of enquiry for twenty years as per until they are all dead.
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Old 17th Mar 2015, 08:22
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Another single man unreasonably committed to his mum. There seems to be a pattern here. I once knew someone from Rochdale who said when CS was canvassing he bought a dozen meat pies from a local pie shop and ate the lot during the course of a three hour period.
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Old 17th Mar 2015, 08:30
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I think that I am more concerned as to what is being covered up now rather than 30 years ago. It seems unlikely that child molestation by those in high office suddenly stopped when the sainted Maggie left office.
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Old 17th Mar 2015, 08:37
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Any of the paedos of the Masonic persuasion?
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Old 17th Mar 2015, 10:36
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It strikes me that this inquiry is being held now that most,if not all, those involved will have died - one of them recently. Files will have been 'lost',the memories of any surviving police officers will have failed etc. the chances of anyone living being held accountable is remote but those in power now can pat themselves on the back because they 'did the right thing' - about 25 years too late. It will be another 'Bloody Sunday' inquiry - costing millions to the taxpayer,earning millions to the legal profession to make the politicians feel good about themselves. This inquiry should have been held years ago,the Bloody Sunday inquiry should never have been held at all.
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Aviate1138 - the relevance of your question escapes me.
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Old 17th Mar 2015, 10:57
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Any of the paedos of the Masonic persuasion?
Aviate1138 - the relevance of your question escapes me.
It could be a very relevant point.


Secret networks of Freemasons have been used by organised crime gangs to corrupt the criminal justice system, according to a bombshell Metropolitan Police report leaked to The Independent.

Operation Tiberius, written in 2002, found underworld syndicates used their contacts in the controversial brotherhood to “recruit corrupted officers” inside Scotland Yard, and concluded it was one of “the most difficult aspects of organised crime corruption to proof against”.

The report – marked “Secret” – found serving officers in East Ham east London who were members of the Freemasons attempted to find out which detectives were suspected of links to organised crime from other police sources who were also members of the society
Concerns over the influence of freemasons on the criminal justice system in 1998 led former Home Secretary Jack Straw to order that all police officers and judges should declare membership of the organisation.

However, ten of Britain’s 43 police forces refused to take part and the policy was dropped under threat of legal action. In England and Wales, the Grand Master of the Freemasons is Prince Edward, Duke of Kent. The United Grand Lodge of England declined to comment last night


Revealed: How gangs used the Freemasons to corrupt police - Crime - UK - The Independent
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I am very curious as to why the Lib Dems and Conservatives are saying basically nothing about a potential 60,000 child rapes which appear, so far, to have happened exclusively under Labour councils.
Are they saving it up for the week before the elections, or what do they have to hide?
Or, the worst possible case, they simply don't care?
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Old 17th Mar 2015, 12:05
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what do they have to hide?
Quite a lot I expect. Is buggery still compulsory at Eton?
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Old 17th Mar 2015, 12:34
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747 Jock - How many were members of the RAC, or the same golf club? How many were Anglicans? I would suggest that members of the RC persuasion have more connection with paedophilia than Freemasons - How many priests have been convicted over the last few years - offences covered up by the Church they belonged to? To answer your next question, I have never been a member of the Freemasons.
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Old 17th Mar 2015, 12:48
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I am very curious as to why the Lib Dems and Conservatives are saying basically nothing about a potential 60,000 child rapes which appear, so far, to have happened exclusively under Labour councils.
Are they saving it up for the week before the elections, or what do they have to hide?
Usually for this sort of thing it's "there but for the grace of god".

You can bet your life that if Tories or LibDems start slagging off those Labour councils, then the next scandal will be revealed, the next day probably, at a Tory or LibDem council (depending on who started the slagging off).

Just like if a councillor of one party is caught with their pants down (one way or another) you're a bit careful about how you handle this in case it's one of yours next week.

Nobody is suggesting, after all, that I've noticed, that Labour as a party have a policy of encouraging industrial scale child rapes. To my mind it's just that FPTP and safe seats and one party states with no effective opposition can lead to exceedingly incompetent councils (of, potentially, any colour).
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Old 17th Mar 2015, 13:02
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That is the most depressing information I've had for quite a while.
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Old 17th Mar 2015, 15:43
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I would suggest that members of the RC persuasion have more connection with paedophilia than Freemasons
In Ireland it wasn't just the RCs with the Magdalene Asylums, but also the Protestants with the Bethany Schools and the State's Industrial Schools systematically misused children. The last Magdalene Asylum closed in 1996 but it took until 2013 (IIRC) for an inquiry to publish its findings by which time the offenders were either dead or had had plenty of time to give each other alibis. I suspect the same is happening here.
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Does anyone think this has been 'fast forwarded' by the news media considering the elections are only months away? Conspiracy or not, makes one think.
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Lon More - formal religion has always had a link with child molestation,does not require the intellect of a brain surgeon to work out why. The recent demise of a former Home Secretary probably means that all the important figures have sent their last telex so now they can unearth some geriatric minor participants and throw them under the bus. How much of this the general public will buy I do not know - judging by the total lack of outrage at current child abuse cases it seems that few people care.
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Old 17th Mar 2015, 16:22
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It really is quite depressing that readers of Private Eye knew that Smith was dodgy even when he was alive. Surely someone must have raised an eyebrow when they talked about his predilection for a bit of child discipline and he didn't sue.

bcgallacher - sums it up for me.

As an aside, at the weekend I do a bit of voluntary work with drug and alcohol addicts. The proportion of them that were sexually abused as children is startling. I rather fear that it was (and possibly is to this day) far more common than one realised.
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Old 17th Mar 2015, 16:35
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It's been reported, the official secrets act was used to cover this up and then shut up anyone with a scrap of decency involved in it.

I guess by its very nature, anything involving the misuse of the OSA will also be secret

how high up the ladder do you have to be to invoke the OSA?
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IP - just been reported on news that OSA does not apply to witnesses to inquiry. Even if it did apply it would be a rather gutless individual who would not give evidence.
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