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The Crimes of Christians - According to Obama

Old 5th Feb 2015, 21:55
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My thoughts on a real world solution aren't printable, but it doesn't matter what I think - it matters what Joe Public thinks, and who s/he's prepared to vote in to do it. I intend remaining in an area where a muslim is as rare as rocking horse droppings until the fun's over.

I'm an agnostic. We don't kill anybody for religious reasons.
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Old 6th Feb 2015, 00:56
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How much longer are you chaps stuck with him?
If the Republicans had put up a credible candidate instead of a Mormon who believes God lives on the planet Kolob near the sun and paying in 10% of your income to the church will get you a planet to rule over in the next life, then you might not have been stuck with him at all.
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As an outsider looking in to the United States, it does seem the Republican party is very divided, and being held back by significant groups of absolute nutters like the birthers, Tea Party, creationists, and people who genuinely believe the rapture is imminent. If the Republicans could get their act together, again I stress this is from the perspective of a non-US citizen, I think they would win the White House easily after Obama, who in my opinion has been an overall disappointment.

The role of the Catholic church in Rwanda in 1994 is seen as controversial by many. 2 priests were executed in 99 for inciting murder. They were denounced by Pope John Paul II, who said publicly that "they must answer for their crimes".

We shouldn't forget there are still Christian parts of the world where alcohol is banned, marital rape is not a crime but homosexuality is. The age of consent in Vatican City is 12 years old ffs. Many sects of Christianity are not as progressive or fair as we like to think in the west, most of us are just fortunate enough to live in countries that realise how ridiculous some of the bible's teachings are.

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Saudi Arabia publicly beheads woman in holy Mecca as blogger lashings are postponed - Middle East - World - The Independent

What's not published, which is typical, is how that b!tch murdered that poor girl.

Her method was too bloody abhorrent for even me to explain.

AFIAC its enough to say she got what she bloody well deserved.
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Old 6th Feb 2015, 13:08
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The age of consent in Vatican City is 12 years old ffs.
Can you post your source for that claim (ffs)?
I'm open to correction but I think the age of consent in Vatican City is 18 except between married couples.
Examples elsewhere: Austria, Germany, Italy, Portugal (14), France, Denmark, Greece (15), Britain, Finland, Netherlands, Norway, Spain, Switzerland (16).

Marriageable age -
Vatican City: Males 16, females 14.
England & Wales: 16 with parental consent.
Scotland: 16
America: Most states 18; exceptions from 14 yrs with parental consent.

Many sects of Christianity are not as progressive or fair as we like to think in the west, most of us are just fortunate enough to live in countries that realise how ridiculous some of the bible's teachings are.
I don't share those opinions - but responding would take us even further off topic.
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Old 6th Feb 2015, 13:15
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The age of consent in Vatican City was always 12 years of age until Pope Francis ordered an overhaul of the City's criminal code, in 2013, which brought the age of consent from 12 to 18 years of age.
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Mike - re Saudi executions
Around half of all Saudi executions are of foreign workers. In 2013, there were 45 foreign maids on death row. Sri Lanka recalled its ambassador over a case involving a Sri Lankan maid.
The death of the child was horrific, but do you honestly believe Saudi has a fair trial system?
The plight of migrant workers in Saudi Arabia - Al Jazeera English

My experience of working in ME is that it's always the foreigners fault.


Meanwhile in Qatar, another construction worker died today, as on average one has every day for the last 2 years on the World Cup projects. Still a soccer fan? Mind the blood and brains on the seat; there's free wipes available though.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...eath-toll-doha
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Old 6th Feb 2015, 13:31
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Fuel-air, perchance?

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Old 6th Feb 2015, 14:32
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Fuel-air would be one option. As would be a few GBU-43/B's. (MOAB or, the Mother Of All Bombs. All 22,000 lbs of each.)
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Old 6th Feb 2015, 14:32
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Google abortion clinic bombings and shootings in USA, Canada, Aus. Plenty of Christian violence there.

And "Operation Just Crusade" had its name changed after protests but who really thinks the original name was simply accidental? A call to arms for christians maybe?

Christians have blood on their hands just as much as any other religeon. We just dont shout god is great as we start shotting, thats all.
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Did anyone mention how often history repeats itself


Might be the reason why, they replaced the old rusty barbed wire and electric fences at one of the old death camps in Poland.


Although we may never know. Until the deeds are done.
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Old 6th Feb 2015, 15:12
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I'm glad that Francis has raised the age of consent to 18 in Vatican City. He seems like a decent guy, unlike his predecessor.

In Ireland, until about 40 or so years ago, women who became pregnant outside of marriage were interred in church run work camps. Many of these women were rape victims.

It's time we learnt the truth about Magdalene Laundries - Independent.ie

The lucky ones amongst these children were adopted, the unlucky ones were taken by church run orphanages. These children grew up facing horrific physical, emotional and sexual abuse. The mortality rate in these orphanages was multiple times higher than that for children outside church care in Ireland. Last year a mass grave was found on the grounds of one of these orphanages.

Septic tank grave for 796 children - BelfastTelegraph.co.uk.

At the time, the church was given the equivalent social welfare for each person under their "care" as the man or woman on the street who was unemployed. And yet there were children dying of malnourishment in their orphanages. All because their mothers had them outside of marriage, some of them because their mothers were raped.

Some of the women in these "Magdalene Laundries" weren't even pregnant, their parents were just poor.

Magdalene Laundries survivor Elizabeth Coppin tells of her fight for justice - Irish Mirror Online
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The Rivesaltes Concentration Camp....er, "detention camp"....... just north of Perpignan airport (F) was closed in 2007. And it's all still there, just empty and abandoned. For now.
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Old 6th Feb 2015, 15:20
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Google abortion clinic bombings and shootings in USA, Canada, Aus. Plenty of Christian violence there.
Google "Armenian genocide" and see how many Christians were murdered by their Muslim "brethren". I don't recall the reverse happening, on that scale, any time in the 20th, or 21st, Century.
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Old 6th Feb 2015, 15:34
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So we are agreed, many religions are guilty of atrocities to their own believers and to others.

But It isn't acceptable to suggest that atrocities by one religion is OK, or even less bad, because other religions have done the same or worse.

We should be condemning all of these.
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Old 6th Feb 2015, 15:40
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Originally Posted by AnQrKa View Post
Google abortion clinic bombings and shootings in USA, Canada, Aus. Plenty of Christian violence there.
Actually, they are quite rare in terms of actual happenings versus the myths of media world. More often you get protests and a lot of noise and hollering.

Now, go back and count the weekly count of bombings (alone) in Iraq since 2003, which is Iraqi on Iraqi violence, and you will find about two orders of magnitude in difference.

Or maybe just drop your ignorant stereotype.
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Old 6th Feb 2015, 16:02
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Point of order...

Christians do not commit crimes.
They merely sin.

And all sins, past, present and future were officially forgiven (if not pardoned) in the year 33AD, approx. 1,982 years ago.
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Old 6th Feb 2015, 17:16
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Christians do not commit crimes.
They merely sin.

And all sins, past, present and future were officially forgiven (if not pardoned) in the year 33AD, approx. 1,982 years ago.
Your profound misunderstanding and misrepresentation of that faith, which appears to be willful, is a text book example of "talking out of one's backside."

I shall use it in my next classroom evolution, so thank you!
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Old 6th Feb 2015, 18:15
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IIRC there is text that says Original Sin was forgiven at the exact time of Christ's death, but in the Gethsemane Garden before he was arrested he could see all sins committed, being committed, and committed in the future. I might be wrong though.
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Old 6th Feb 2015, 18:56
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"I don't recall the reverse happening, on that scale, any time in the 20th, or 21st, Century."

Very true. Unless you count the million or so we have killed in the ME in the past 30 odd years.
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