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Drink Driving - Zero Limit

Old 8th Dec 2014, 11:24
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Pretty sure CASA flight crew limitation is 0.02% BAC....think this is to accommodate for the bodies sometimes natural production of alcohol (endogenus ethanol production?? or some such thing) or to allow for cough syrup consumption etc.....

Good points made about being in an accident and being 0%, fair enough.....that said I still believe that doubling the Oz limit from 0.05% to 0.10% is the way to go.....but you know, I hate government interference, and no one has ever yet adequately, or even at all, explained the logic behind a 0.05% limit arbitarily introduced 30 odd years ago...

And to be fair, you don't think this is an easy one for revenue raising???? I AM NOT in favor of people being pi$$ed and driving, before you start.....but like speed cameras.....they raise revenue....and a type of tax......my local pollie really doesn't give a flying F&*k about me (as evidenced by their policies)......but I am (even more) potential revenue.

As an aside, 3 weeks ago I was heading out through the hinterland to a horse stud. On a winding country road, a copper heading opposite direction to me hit his brakes, performed an illegal U turn across a double white line on a bridge!!!!, in order to chase me down. I duly stopped in the driveway of a local Army barracks, and when interrogated by the Cop I gave the answer of '90' when the question was asked of me 'Do you Know the speed limit here?'

Well, for 30 odd years it HAS been 90, just recently reduced to 70 .... because of numerous recent fatalities....none of which have ever been reported in the local news, and every fatality here gets reported in the local news!!

So bad cop hops out of patrol vehicle now, dressed in black and orders me to 'blow into the bag'........now this one had me a little worried, as I'd had a big one the night before....and a beer with lunch, maybe an hour beforehand

When I finished blowing Mr smart arse cop rolled his eyes and walked off....I had to shout out, excuse me.....by way of curiosity?? How much?? ....0.00%

,....thought being hung over may have been a factor.......

Anyway, be aware of changing speed limits with no apparent reason. and in my case on this day, hung over and a hair of the dog beer for lunch I still blew 0.00%!
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Old 8th Dec 2014, 11:36
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I'm just waiting for Ayatolla Sturgeon to ban smoking; anywhere.
excellent idea!


P.S, sorry, rgb
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Old 8th Dec 2014, 11:42
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On the very rare occasions I go out for a meal, a glass of wine or a 1/2 pint of beer is the lot. I don't go to pubs to drink.

France,outwith the conurbations, is extremely sparsely populated, Roads are well- maintained, no edging-stones,often no level verge,fairly narrow, far from straight. To compound this, population is very sparse, a quick look at a map will show small hamlets of under 20 houses predominate in rural areas. there is no public transport, no street lighting.

The Microcars, such as Ligier and Aixam, are a warmer, dryer, more convenient alternative to a moped / motorcycle / Quad "bike". They have, nominally, 4 seats. as the design speed is ~40 MPH, the performance, even 2-up,is hardly going to set the pulses racing.
I think they are an excellent compromise to France's rural trnsport problem for those who do not hold a car-licence for whatever reason.
Their lack of crash-protection is also an incentive to the driver to be prudent . If you think that is bad, perhaps the UK Gov't could mandate that banned drivers are allowed to pilot the motorised bog known as the Sinclair C5.....Oh, wait, they did, and C5 went bust
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Old 8th Dec 2014, 12:31
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I'm just waiting for Ayatolla Sturgeon to ban smoking; anywhere.
Well, that's the Scottish salmon industry stuffed, then.
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Old 8th Dec 2014, 14:37
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Moderate night out say 4 or perhaps 5 pints, walk home and in bed by 11.30.

I suspect most people would blow 0.1 - 0.2 the following morning at 8.30.

Drink driver?

This is where I think a zero limit (ahem) falls down.

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Old 8th Dec 2014, 16:57
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How much alcohol is produced by a home bread maker amd how much is left after the baking process? Or will you find out if you are breathalised.
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Old 8th Dec 2014, 18:03
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I haven't read KnC's 'views' on this topic but if he supports no drinking then I too am in agreement with him.

Thank you, I am indebted for your support in this matter.

May I therefore, by way of reciprocation, offer my own unstinting support for your own perceptions. True, the list is no means exhaustive, presumably your modesty prevented this from being the case, but, overall I would concur with your self analysis.

I am bemused as to why you included the words childish and, in particular envious, when I have managed to successfully have relationships with women, have had no travel "dramas" have managed to eat in Chinese restaurants without, allegedly, being attacked with a machete ( although I am still confused as to what a Chinese Hole in the Wall is...do you enter a menu number and the food gets squeezed out through a tiny grill ?) and, have a spam free PC !.

This will no doubt cause him to change his view so that he can launch one of his childish and envious tirades against me, and he will probably trawl through my postings of the last 15 years and find somewhere where I said I'd driven home after a Tia Maria coffee or a half of shandy, thus proving I'm a liar, hypocrite, UKIP supporter, frog basher, EU hater and right wing fascist (all of which is true!)
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Old 8th Dec 2014, 19:24
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My own take on the British attitude towards driving having consumed alcohol and getting behind the wheel at the moment is that it's fine, as long as you beat the breath test; indeed current law fully supports that.

Another way of thinking is, would you prefer to have 34 mcgs on board if a toddler ran out in front of you, or would you rather be clear, therefore giving you every chance of dealing with an emergency situation to the best of your ability?

Food for thought I think - whether we like it or not, alcohol, even in very small amounts impedes our motor skills. There are variables of course, at twice the current prescribed limit the average person is fifty times more likely to be involved in a fatal RTC, a heavy drinker only (!) twenty seven times more likely.

The zero limit is not that far away IMHO.
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Old 8th Dec 2014, 21:28
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Except the zero limit will catch a lot of innocent people whose metabolism for one reason or another produces a false reading. Now if it were to be a case that everyone caught by a false reading could, after a zero alcohol blood test, be awarded compensation for all their costs (including loss of earnings) AND get something around 1000 tax free for every 8 hours in custody, then I could JUST go along with it.
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Old 8th Dec 2014, 21:37
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My understanding is that breathalysers can/will be calibrated to disregard any potential 'background' natural/mouthwash alcohol.
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Old 8th Dec 2014, 21:50
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What about ketosis?
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Old 8th Dec 2014, 21:56
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Still stand by doubling from 0.05 to .01 down here, and after 30 years not one can tell me why 0.05 was 'the figure'....
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Old 8th Dec 2014, 22:02
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Because some w***ker picked a number out of a hat?
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Old 9th Dec 2014, 06:46
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Here's the science behind the 0.05 limit Flieg

This is one of the simpler papers - the others are a great cure for insomnia

Alcohol and driving: is the 0.05% blood alcohol concentration limit... - PubMed - NCBI
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Old 9th Dec 2014, 09:54
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Except the zero limit will catch a lot of innocent people whose metabolism for one reason or another produces a false reading.
but 0,05 (or whatever) will not produce false readings for those innocent people?


Just asking.
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Old 9th Dec 2014, 10:10
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would you prefer to have 34 mcgs on board if a toddler ran out in front of you
Whose fault would it be? The driver's or the parents.
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Old 9th Dec 2014, 10:42
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The number one name chosen for baby boys last year was ?
No communion wine for those boys.
Just a matter of time until all alcohol is banned and women banned from driving.
All in the name of safety
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Old 9th Dec 2014, 11:16
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Whose fault would it be? The driver's or the parents.

Tis never the Parents fault FAREASTDRIVER!.....witness another Nanny state law in action that contributes to the gummint coffers.......law Pool Fences!!!

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Old 9th Dec 2014, 11:27
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Just a matter of time until all alcohol is banned and women banned from driving.
All in the name of safety.
Oh, thank you very much, indeed...
although you might have a point! (at least so my husband says, but he's wrong, obviously, as I haven't destroyed our gate and he has... mainly because I wouldn't reverse a lorry with no rear view at all, but that's irrelevant of course )

Whose fault would it be? The driver's or the parents.
isn't that a great consolation when you're trying to get the mental picture of the injured or dead toddler out of your mind.
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Old 9th Dec 2014, 13:50
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I was not explicit enough,I do not share the mysoginists view of who should or should not be allowed to drive .I was merely alluding in perhaps a too cryptic manner in an attempt not be inciting ,but insighting. As the demographics change so will the tolerance to our traditional values and use of alcohol.
The anti-alcohol patrols in some communities are reminiscent of the old temperence movements and the anti-gin leagues.
As the number one boys name last year in the UK is that of a particular religion that forbids alcohol and extreme forms of that cult forbid women from driving or being out of the house without a chaperone.
Almost as bad as the wee free in Scotland who also tried to ban alcohol and fornication.Although judging by the low birth rates in the wee free communities they may have successful at one thing.
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