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Old 7th Dec 2014, 11:33
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and the subsequent life threatening impairment that results when you drive.

No life threatening impairment is "subsequent"when I drive.......most dangerous thing I ever have in my hands, a steering wheel, and I'm always aware of that fact every time I start the motor, no matter whether it's five a.m. and I'm threading my way across the snow-bound mountain passes or coming home with shopping at five p.m. in the sun.
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Old 7th Dec 2014, 11:53
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I'm for the zero limit and zero tolerance of breaches, which, despite some valid arguments against it, is the simplest for drivers to adhere to and for authorities to enforce. The current mishmash of different limits across borders, different testing methods and tolerances, and so on, doesn't work.

No legislation will ever make us completely safe against drunk drivers, but it makes sense to tackle this problem where possible.

I was quite shocked last night after dinner to see a large and loudmouthed woman who'd been on a nearby table, and who'd had several glasses of wine, pick up car keys, gather her family, and walk unsteadily towards a powerful German car, get into the driver's seat, and drive off. There were two other adults in her party and two children, nobody tried to intervene.
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Old 7th Dec 2014, 12:04
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Let me start by saying firstly, and I think everyone agrees, that it is really tragic to lose someone from being a victim of drink driving, what a waste. But we also lose people from not being a victim of drink driving.

As someone who visits Greece annually I remain appalled at the loss of life on their roads - drunk or not, I've seen it all and more there. However drinking remains a huge part of their culture.

I have a mate over there who drives quite well when drunk, better than most when sober. He is a seriously hard drinker, actually a hard man, when he was a uni student he was walking home with his mates one night when a drunk driver ploughed through them killing his mate and seriously injuring him.

His driving skills whether drunk or not are well above average, he's very experienced at doing both. I'm not defending all drunk drivers, I've seen some horrible things on the road, but this guy is very good with his vehicle control considering the amount of alcohol I've seen him consume - I guess he's just become really good at it over time.

He does know his limitations though, a few times I've seen him delay the drive home after a drinking binge or even stop at the side of the road for a snooze, I think he knows himself well and that is why he keeps surviving.

On the other side of the coin, I have seen others who get sh#t-faced for the first time in a long while and you definitely wouldn't want to get into a vehicle with them.

Myself, only once was I forced to drive under the influence, but it really was a matter of life and death, and on reflection turned out to be an absurdly funny story bouncing along the unpredictable lines of the vicissitudes of life.
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Old 7th Dec 2014, 12:10
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However drinking remains a huge part of their culture.

In Spain you sit down to a three course lunch and a bottle of wine is frequently included with the meal, that's in the price of the meal, usually around €10-€15 Mondays to Fridays. You are asked red white or rose, but that's it. You may drink one glass or the whole bottle: it's up to you. It's what is called "being responsible".
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I doubt there will be many lives lost to drivers in the 50mg - 80mg bracket, consequently I question the claim for reducing same.

Be interesting to see the numbers specific to this and not to get carried away with total deaths caused by drunk drivers, as man seem to be doing. After all until the change deaths caused by drivers between 50mg and 80mg were not, by definition, caused by drunk drivers and therefore are not included in the figures for such.

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Old 7th Dec 2014, 12:36
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I'm for zero tolerance. If I am going to drive, I wont have any alcohol 12 or more hours before. The reason is simple, we don't know how much even one unit will effect us, whether it be reactions or the breathalyzer reading. One thing is for sure our reactions are slowed significantly.

If you're going to drink, don't drive. If you have downed any alcohol, don't drive.
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Old 7th Dec 2014, 12:43
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I'm not suggesting the level of 80mg should be reinstated, however taking it to the extremes you do, Sop_Monkey, is a little OTT. If there is any residual ill effects 12 hours after having a glass of wine or two I suggest they are of much less significance than countless other factors which influence performance.

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Old 7th Dec 2014, 12:50
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You may drink one glass or the whole bottle: it's up to you. It's what is called "being responsible".

That would be an interesting excuse to offer to the police....." I was being responsible by drinking the bottle ".

Personally, I would call anybody doing so as being a complete pillock.....
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Drink Drive Limit

Anyone who is affected by one class of beer or wine etc and is over the limit should make an appointment with their GP,they must be sick or something!
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Back in about 1961 or so, there was an article in either 'New Society' or 'New Scientist' about a study done by a US university - I think it was in Iowa. They found that drivers with up to 20mg were actually more careful than those who hadn't drunk at all, because they realised that they had a drink.

The complications of ketosis are another matter. We learnt about the body's conversion of alcohols to ketones in chemistry....
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Old 7th Dec 2014, 13:58
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Anyone who is affected by one glass of beer or wine etc and is over the limit should make an appointment with their GP,they must be sick or something!
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Anyone who is affected by one class of beer or wine etc and is over the limit should make an appointment with their GP,they must be sick or something!

I agree completely.

One comment after re-reading the posts is that quite obviously many people accept it is usual to go out to a bar or a "pub" in the UK to have a few drinks.

I have never understood the pleasure of doing this. You could count the number of times I've been out for a 'drink' in the past 50 years on the fingers of one hand.

And I think driving after consuming alcohol on an empty stomach is reprehensible.

My previous posts in this thread refer only to alcohol consumed with food, and usually over a period of some hours. And because I don't sleep well with a full stomach, this is always at lunch time.

K & C, nanny always warned me against people like you.
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" My previous posts in this thread refer only to alcohol consumed with food...."

" K n C. nanny warned me about people like you
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Well, if nanny warned you, possibly you were enjoying her hairbrush too much to pay attention....or, she was knocking back the gin at the time...no matter.

I never had a nanny, but, the Police in the form of innumerable public campaigns warned me... and several million others.. about..... people like you.....

And I think driving after consuming alcohol on an empty stomach is reprehensible

Love it ! the level of hypocrisy makes you a classical Mail reader and UKIP supporter !

Stuffing half a suckling pig and chips down your gob, whilst knocking back a bottle of wine, does not ensure you are safe to drive.....it just delays the effect before you become a life threatening liability to yourself....... and everybody else. it's the "everybody else" bit that is the cause for concern you understand.

This may clarify, for your benefit, what most of us already know.

A Glass of Wine :: Myths About Alcohol

Of course, if you can provide scientific / medical / legal evidence to the contrary which can prove unequivocally your theory is correct, then a rapt world awaits that evidence here on JB.

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A friend's lodger, who worked at the main A&E hospital for our area, was compelled to go to work to report that he had flu (presumably due to the number of people who call a sickie just for a day off). He was certainly in no state to drive and would not have been pleasant company on public transport either. Behind the wheel he would have been many times more dangerous than a driver on the drink/drive limit, yet he would have received disciplinary action if he had not gone in for them to assess his state of health.

This was about five years ago, so I can only hope this stupidity has ended.
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Old 7th Dec 2014, 17:44
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Stuffing half a suckling pig and chips down your gob, whilst knocking back a bottle of wine, does not ensure you are safe to drive.....it just delays the effect before you become a life threatening liability to yourself....... and everybody else. it's the "everybody else" bit that is the cause for concern you understand.
And by delaying the onset of the effects of alcohol, you may well have finished driving long before those effects are felt so eating whilst drinking can make sense in some instances.
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Old 7th Dec 2014, 18:06
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And by delaying the onset of the effects of alcohol, you may well have finished driving long before those effects are felt so eating whilst drinking can make sense in some instances

Of course...how remiss of me and the police / A& E / emergency services not to take this into account... on that basis, we might as well repeal all that drink / driving legislation as well.


I see you have London as your location.....if you decide to prove your theory, please try and get the encounter with the Met. recorded...they will, I am sure, be delighted to hear your rationale in this respect.
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Old 7th Dec 2014, 18:40
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Originally Posted by Sop_Monkey View Post
If you're going to drink, don't drive. If you have downed any alcohol, don't drive.
So if I've had a beer and my girlfriend has a serious asthma attack, I have to call an ambulance and wait however long it takes, rather than drive her to the hospital that's five minutes away?

As I understand it, the vast majority of deaths caused by drunk drivers in the UK are people well over the existing legal limit. All a zero limit does is criminalize many people who are causing no harm to anyone, and bring the law further into disrepute. It's prohibition by the back door.
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Old 7th Dec 2014, 18:58
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And by delaying the onset of the effects of alcohol, you may well have finished driving long before those effects are felt so eating whilst drinking can make sense in some instances

Of course...how remiss of me and the police / A& E / emergency services not to take this into account... on that basis, we might as well repeal all that drink / driving legislation as well.
What do you find so hard to understand about the fact that food slows down the rate of alcohol absorption into the body so therefore it will take longer before you reach and pass the prescribed limit for dring driving?
If it takes longer, you may be able to drink whilst eating and drive home whilst being below the limit.
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Drink Drive Limit

I also have to inform everyone on this matter,that
I have been in the company of drivers who have not consumed any of the amber nectar who are and remain downright dangerous.
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Old 7th Dec 2014, 20:08
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Your question tends to point to me being a moron. Of course anyone with a half a brain would drive her to the hospital. The same reason I would break every aviation law if I had too, in an attempt to save a life.

My point is how do you know when you're over the top before driving in a normal non emergency environment? The only sure way is not to drink before driving. Or do you have a way of checking you're ok to drive after a unit of alcohol, for example? The answer is, you don't know. Therefore it is a guess, so if you do get behind the wheel with alcohol in your body, you are taking a risk of being done for drink driving and worse, putting your life as well as others at risk.

In this scenario I don't think I'm the moron.

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