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Old 1st Dec 2014, 19:41
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Who cares about German law?

Well, this guy who shot a German citizen will, if he is extradited and put on trial in a German court, that's who!

I assume that is an option that Germany might use if the guy walks. If he's convicted of manslaughter, say, and jailed for a few years, that would probably be enough for his family to feel that justice had been done. Let's see what the verdict is.
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Old 1st Dec 2014, 19:55
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An American being extradited to Germany having been tried in his own Country for the offence? Good luck with that.
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Old 1st Dec 2014, 20:01
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Con's scenario is pre-meditated and negligent.
"Negligent" must therefore be one of those words whose meaning is different to you folk from its meaning to others.

For many, "negligent" connotes having failed to think through the act or failed to perform the act.

E.G it is negligent to have opened the gas tap on the cooker without igniting the gas.
But if you want to blow up your premise and those around you, it would be pre-meditated to open the gas tap without igniting the flow, with a view to an inevitable later explosion.
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Old 1st Dec 2014, 20:36
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I suspect the DA will be able to get a negligent homicide out of this, or a manslaughter. Probably won't get a second degree murder rap out of a jury, though.

Anyway, if there is a betting line in Vegas, that's where the smart money will go.
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Old 1st Dec 2014, 20:46
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I guess my outrage goes on the basis that people illegally entering a property and then stealing, have only themselves to blame if they get shot. Or if they pull something down on them that injures them.

Which is why I believe Tony Martin should have had a medal, not a conviction. But it was easier to get a conviction than to protect people's property....
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Old 1st Dec 2014, 20:50
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Well, this guy who shot a German citizen will, if he is extradited and put on trial in a German court, that's who!
And you really think this will happen?

The guy did not know the trespasser was a German citizen, which in reality matters not. Good luck with the extradition...... I suspect it will never happen.
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Old 1st Dec 2014, 20:53
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Or if they pull something down on them that injures them.
No, then they can sue the home owner for the injuries that they suffered.

Think I'm kidding, I'm not.

5 Victims of Horrible Crimes (Who Got Sued by the Criminal) | Cracked.com

https://www.legalzoom.com/articles/t...olous-lawsuits
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Old 1st Dec 2014, 20:56
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I don't think Americans do extradition. Of Americans, I mean.

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Old 1st Dec 2014, 21:02
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and the German started the whole process by trespassing.

In life there are consequences.
And we all know where that led, in the 30s...
 
Old 1st Dec 2014, 21:04
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I don't think Americans do extradition. Of Americans, I mean.
They have their own procedures to handle that sort of thing. In this case the appropriate action would be for a team from Germany to go armed with explosives to the guys home and blow up the entire neighbourhood. An alternative and equally valid action would be for Germany to bomb Tallinn.
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Old 1st Dec 2014, 21:15
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I don't think Americans do extradition. Of Americans, I mean.

Yes we do.

One that comes to mind.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liam_Quinn
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Old 1st Dec 2014, 21:26
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OK So the United States has a "Gun culture". Maybe then out-of-towners should be aware of that before garage hopping. Maybe there should be signs in the airports of entry that say "You've just arrived in a GUN CULTURE, screw around with the natives with this in mind!

After an excellent landing etc...
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Old 1st Dec 2014, 22:04
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Stay on the Outrage Bus!

I wonder how this would have played out if the "intruder" turned out to be a passing policeman who noticed the garage door was open &, knowing about "garage hopping", went to investigate, with the same result ..... ?
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Old 1st Dec 2014, 22:17
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Uh, the home owner would still be on trial, except for the killing of a thief, it would be for the killing of a cop.
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Old 1st Dec 2014, 22:33
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@con-pilot
My thoughts too, but I'll bet there'll be a rush of posts from the usual gun/cop hating crew suggesting he wouldn't have lived long enough to go to trial etc etc .....
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Old 1st Dec 2014, 22:42
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Eric, can you be a bit more specific please, black or white homeowner, black or white cop?
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Old 1st Dec 2014, 22:49
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Why is this even a story? I guess because like most outrage bus rides, it's a one way ticket into all the prejudices, fears, stereotypes and bigotry that a Very Concerned European can muster. It must also makes them feel so much better about themselves, what with the war being such an unpleasant subject.

I don't think I would have popped the poor German kid, but I don't think I would have been a stoned and armed home owner, either. A sad recipe for trouble, especially for the poor parents. But I didn't shed too many tears for the American kid who vandalized a bunch of cars in Singapore, and got a severe caning for his trouble either.

What to make of all this? Not much, other than it must be great fun watching Deutsche Welle TV, and taking a shot of Jagermeister every time the host says "Amerikanische Cowboy."

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Old 1st Dec 2014, 23:07
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Based on the reported details, I am as unsure as most here as to there accuracy, but the notion that a guy who sets a trap and then executes a guy who gets caught in that trap is somehow an OK guy bemuses me, doesn't surprise me but does bemuse me........
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Old 1st Dec 2014, 23:08
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but the notion that a guy who sets a trap and then executes a guy who gets caught in that trap is somehow an OK guy bemuses me........
Okay, got me here, just who here has posted that this idiot is an "OK guy"?
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Old 1st Dec 2014, 23:10
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Originally Posted by con-pilot View Post
Okay, got me here, just who here has posted that this idiot is an "OK guy"?

Have we been reading the same thread?
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