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A-10s go to Iraq

Old 28th Nov 2014, 00:41
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Just think John, the A-10 in the pic is more powerful than the entire ground attack force NZ has to offer. Why not get rid of your army as well?
Hell, that US one (1) privately owned P-51 with the working .50 Cal. machine guns out numbers the fighters that New Zealand has.
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Old 28th Nov 2014, 00:50
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Why not get rid of your army as well?
We do not need that either, We have got a massive fleet of Waka, and all the occupants are armed with very sharp sticks, you lot better be careful!!.
 
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The enemy within....
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Old 28th Nov 2014, 09:45
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When it comes to military philosophy, is there any better than Teddy Roosevelt's maxim?

What does the USAF have that can replace the A10 in its specialised role?

(I'm not sure about calling it a 'warthog' - 'porky' would be better because, like the little girl's dog in the joke, it f***s pigs!)
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Old 28th Nov 2014, 12:17
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Mechta wrote:

Perhaps even the A-10's Avenger gatling gun is a trifle overkill in this instance?
No it is not overkill. ISIL, or whatever the name of the week for that group of thugs is, also have tanks i.e., armor, as well as light artillery pieces. Both very good targets for the wrath of the Warthog.
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Old 28th Nov 2014, 14:17
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RGB, Did you read what I wrote?

Perhaps even the A-10's Avenger gatling gun is a trifle overkill in this instance? Against the majority of targets that ISIS are fielding, a 7.62mm bullet should be more than enough. Maybe a few miniguns on the 11 pylons would be the answer against soft targets?
Like everyone else, I've seen the pictures of ISIS in captured armoured vehicles. What I was advocating is to use the rest of the aircraft's capability to carry weapons appropriate to the range of targets encountered. The Avenger gun magazine has a finite capacity. Why not use some of the pylon capacity too? If there are still targets to engage, you don't want to be going home to reload before you have run out of fuel.
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Old 28th Nov 2014, 16:25
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A memo to certain prolific posters on this thread...

What started off as a pretty interesting discussion about the virtues of the 'Hog' has degenerated into a kiddies' schoolyard spat.

In particular, the otherwise sensible member that suggested that another get off his 'crack pipe'.
To you sir, may I suggest that you get stuck into your bourbon AFTER you post, rather than before.

As we say here in OZ, "PULL YER HEAD IN !".

Carry on, gentlemen.
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Old 28th Nov 2014, 16:29
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Did you notice who took it off track?
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Old 28th Nov 2014, 16:38
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Yeah, but there are limits - even amongst us ratbags.
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Old 28th Nov 2014, 16:59
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I actually had the fortune, if you will, of working with a few Warthogs a number of years ago at the National Training Center in Fort Irwin, CA.

As mechanized infantrymen, our unit took part in a "combined arms" exercise which included, naturally, infantry, armor, artillery and air support. During one part of the exercise we witnessed several A-10's, after being called in for a fire mission by our attached FACs (Forward Air Controllers), laying waste to some targets.

It was awesome to witness the A-10s basically obliterating the targets which were set up for their destructive pleasures! (Old APC's, tanks, self-propelled artillery pieces, etc.) And boy were they loud, and slow, coming in over a not-too-distant ridge line.

The A-10's were followed by about 1/2 dozen Apache helos who also took part in the fun. Equally awesome to behold.
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Old 28th Nov 2014, 17:18
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If you take a closer look at mad_jock's photo again:



One might be mistaken for confusing the 'IFR probe' with an admittedly midget-sized pilot wearing a flight-helmet and sitting in a canopyless cockpit where one shouldn't be. It didn't catch me or anyone else out I'm glad to note...
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Old 28th Nov 2014, 17:20
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That apparent midget-sized pilot in the canopy-less cockpit wearing the equally midget-sized flight helmet is, indeed, a Teletubby. How could you not know that?
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Old 28th Nov 2014, 17:21
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Now what was that about a crack pipe again?
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Old 28th Nov 2014, 17:22
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Not crack*, Matari, too many beers last night. Mea culpa.



*who, in their right mind, would do a drug with a name which is the same as a part of one's ass anyway?
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Old 28th Nov 2014, 17:25
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Matari,
It seems the relevant post has been deleted.
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Old 28th Nov 2014, 17:30
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It seems the relevant posts has been deleted.
As they should have been.

But;

"He started it, he started it Miss!
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Old 28th Nov 2014, 17:51
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Of course, the A-10 operating in a theatre without air-superiority or in a SAM-rich environment would be almost useless. I wonder how it would fare in a dogfight against a WWII-era fighter like the ME-262? Or even a Spitfire / Mustang? 'Cannon against cannon' as it were...
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Old 28th Nov 2014, 18:02
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Of course, the A-10 operating in a theatre without air-superiority or in a SAM-rich environment would be almost useless.
I don't think the A-10 would be allowed to operate in any theater where we did not have nearly total air superiority. As the A-1s were in Viet Nam, only used when there was a high expectation of US air superiority.

As for SAMs, it depends on the type of SAMs., as the A-10operates at very low levels. They did fine in the two wars in Iraq, where there was a high risk of SAMS.
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Old 28th Nov 2014, 18:05
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The Warthog has some AA counter-measures available for use, just in case. Not much but better than nothing.
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Old 29th Nov 2014, 03:18
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The A-10 would not be helpless. It can stay low and turn inside a fast jet which then has to make a pass staring down a gun barrel spitting out DU

Low down makes it hard for a missile to acquire and hold a lock.

Then again the missile seeker might get distracted by a hot cloud of DU

Fast jets have a tough time taking on helicopters. One suggestion is hitting the ground below with a bomb, but an A-10 can get away.
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