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Old 27th Nov 2014, 15:40
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The guy was stationary and on his knees when the coup de grace was delivered.
Would you care to present your evidence for this assertion?

GTM

Now we have your flippant remark about guns out of the way, would you like to give us your opinion on the shooting based on the evidence that has been presented?

Let me stress, shooting an unarmed man posing no threat is wrong. That scenario does not apply in this case. All of the evidence points to this being a justifiable shooting by Officer Wilson. Those of us who would rather ignore this and use the situation to promote our hatred of America and all things American should be held in contempt.

There are plenty of us non-Americans who are prepared to look at the facts and not be swayed by the media, of which the BBC in particular has been disgraceful in its reporting (no surprise there), nor the words of your President who has shown himself to be influenced by race above all else.
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Old 27th Nov 2014, 16:13
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the words of your President who has shown himself to be influenced by race above all else.
Well, he's not going to alienate his brothers . . .
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Old 27th Nov 2014, 16:32
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Well, he's not going to alienate his brothers .
Whut..a crack in the liberal euro solidarity with the President? You guys gave him a Nobel and a helleva warm welcome in Germany. I'm hoping he emigrates to euroland after his tenure here given the love affair of past y'awl have with him.
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Old 27th Nov 2014, 17:09
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Does that make it any the less valid or true?
Perhaps its appropriate to put things in a comparable context!
As 62% of the deaths by gun are self-inflicted (suicide), that does change things quite a bit.

But hey, go with what you've got.

Of course if Thomas had bother to keep track of these never ending, ‘You Yanks are stupid gun nuts’ threads, he would already know that.
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Old 27th Nov 2014, 17:54
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Though the circumstances are confused by all sorts of input this does concern me

For the record: This cop in Ferguson went on to say:

I wasn't frightened - didn't have time...my training took over.
Sorry but that seems to suggest that training is to draw and fire when threatened, that is a concern for some reason.
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Old 27th Nov 2014, 18:31
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Sorry but that seems to suggest that training is to draw and fire when threatened, that is a concern for some reason.
How so? Is the cop not entitle do go home to his family, after his shift? If he is threatened he has every right to protect himself. That is why he is given a gun. To use it in case, he, one of his colleagues, or a member of general public is threatened. The phrase "to serve and protect" does not mean "stop, or I shall yell 'stop', again".

That is exactly what he was trained to do. To use his sidearm until the threat is eliminated.

What do you think he should have done after a 290 lb man punched him, attempted to take his gun away, and charged him?
 
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What do you think he should have done after a 290 lb man punched him, attempted to take his gun away, and charged him?
Well shoot, that's easy. What he should have done was;

Yell "Stop, or I shall yell Stop again."

"If you continue to beat me, I shall be forced to write your name down in my book."
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Old 27th Nov 2014, 18:53
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How so? Is the cop not entitle do go home to his family, after his shift? If he is threatened he has every right to protect himself. That is why he is given a gun. To use it in case, he, one of his colleagues, or a member of general public is threatened.
Ah so that is their only form of personal protection, no pepper spray, no night stick, just a gun? If that is the case fine

To use it in case, he, one of his colleagues, or a member of general public is threatened.
So that is the only option, if someone is threatened with, say, physical violence like punching or kicking, just use the gun

Understand that I'm not attempting to criticize just better my knowledge
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Old 27th Nov 2014, 19:15
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After the policeman's address was published in the New York newspaper, how long before his house suffers a mysterious, accidental fire?

But I suppose that presupposes that the people we see robbing and burning local businesses in Ferguson under the wafer thin disguise of outrage over the killing of this quaintly-labelled 290 lb 'teenager' have ever read a ***ing newspaper to learn where the cop lives.

If that house does burn down, or any other 'incident' occurs in or near that house, I would think there'd be more than one ambulance-chasing lawyer out there willing to sue the publisher of that newspaper for millions.
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Old 27th Nov 2014, 19:18
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A gun seems to work to stop a threat if you are being attacked.
It would also be a good reason not to attack a cop, but some people are unable to draw conclusions and therefor end up like Brown, or in jail...
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Old 27th Nov 2014, 19:21
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My son is an armed policeman. If he was faced with the same situation as occurred in Ferguson, I would expect him to act with the same professionalism and result. If the parents of the deceased scumbag wished to discuss the matter, then I would happily oblige them.
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Old 27th Nov 2014, 19:30
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The guy was stationary and on his knees when the coup de grace was delivered.
Only in Al Sharpton's dreams.

So that is the only option, if someone is threatened with, say, physical violence like punching or kicking, just use the gun.
Use the level of force necessary to address the threat. Given that the Officer's sidearm was already unholstered (thanks to the now dead guy, who by the way, according to some statistics had already been shot twice that week), the sidearm seemed the reasonable course of action.
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Old 27th Nov 2014, 19:34
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Use the level of force necessary to address the threat. Given that the Officer's sidearm was already unholstered (thanks to the now dead guy, who by the way, according to some statistics had already been shot twice that week), the sidearm seemed the reasonable course of action.
That makes sense, thanks
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Old 27th Nov 2014, 19:44
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The other side of the argument.

It seems that the media have misrepresented this young man.

“Everything happen for a reason,” he posted to Facebook the night before he was shot. “Just start putting 2 n 2 together. You’ll see it.”

“He was quiet. He didn’t have too many friends,”

“Just two weeks ago, he received the Lord Jesus as his savior.”
13 Things You Didn’t Know About Mike Brown.
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Old 27th Nov 2014, 19:45
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Ah so that is their only form of personal protection, no pepper spray, no night stick, just a gun? If that is the case fine



So that is the only option, if someone is threatened with, say, physical violence like punching or kicking, just use the gun

Understand that I'm not attempting to criticize just better my knowledge
You got that right.

Pepper spray and stick - you have to get too close to be safe. In this case the perp was aggravated enough and showed willingness to use brutal force when punching and attempting to take the gun away.

If the assailant is outnumbered by police they may try to subdue him, but always taking into consideration their safety first. If he is armed, in any way, he is going down.
 
Old 27th Nov 2014, 19:55
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So evidently we've got protesters against police brutality, including, inexplicably, in the UK. Chanting "Black lives matter".

Too bad the black population of places like Chicago, New York, DC don't happen to agree.
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Old 27th Nov 2014, 19:58
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It seems that the media have misrepresented this young man.
Really!!



Oh bogger!!!!! You're fishing and I've been caught.
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Old 27th Nov 2014, 20:33
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The guy was stationary and on his knees when the coup de grace was delivered.
Sorry, that comment seems to just wrong according to the evidence, you could even class it as deliberate misinformation.

This is the reason we have riots, this is the reason innocent people get there business burnt down, this is the reason actual innocent people get killed in riots etc as a result of these things. Deliberate misinformation for political purposes.

There was only on victim in this saga at the start, the police officer, Michael Brown was a in the process of committing a crime. It has been deliberately set up to make Michael Brown as this innocent victim.

It is slowly coming light he was just another criminal violent thug. America does have a problem, one of those problems is the media, until it can come up with a way to compensate for the effects of media, things will only get worse.
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Old 27th Nov 2014, 23:50
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There is a lot of blame to go around.
How does a 300 lb military aged male with a history of violence and facing four felony charges get to walk about free ? Not even an ankle bracelet ?
Maybe if the courts had of incarcerated him for the four felonies he was alleged to be charged with he might still be alive today.
Perhaps, that is what they mean when they say he was denied Justice.
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Old 28th Nov 2014, 00:13
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As comedian Richard Prior used to say regarding the larger black population in most prisons, "Ya'all say ya want justice, well, look around and that's what you see. Just us."
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