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19 pages of US guns; how 'bout 1 on Vienna?

Old 29th Oct 2014, 09:50
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It's always worth remembering that the Austrians welcomed the Anschluss, effectively allowing Hitler and the Nazis to take their country over, with enthusiasm.

Based on my experience of working with Austrians in the Middle East, they would do so again tomorrow. Their devious machinations made the Arabs (Palestinians in this case) look like beginners. I quickly learned not to trust them, and to watch my back with great care if there was an Austrian about.
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Old 29th Oct 2014, 10:26
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I've met people like that from many countries.

I've also met (rather more) thoroughly likeable folks - in particular in Austria where I've been received with grace and courtesy whenever I've visited (which is quite often).

Generalisation doesn't work.
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Old 29th Oct 2014, 11:29
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Generalisation doesn't work.
...in general
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Old 29th Oct 2014, 12:16
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Shouldn't that be "Generalizations don't work in particular"?

Even Hitler was confounded by the Austrian physician who looked after his mother with great kindness in her terminal illness, since he was Jewish. So Hitler had him declared some sort of honorary Aryan, an offer the poor man could not refuse.

Then there was Christ, whom Goebbels, I think it was, simply classed as a non-Jew and never mind whatever the New Testament had to say about all that. There was simply no way that a Jew could be the Son of God, so that he just re-wrote that part of the Bible for himself, when nobody thought to argue with him. Well, not for very long, anyway ....

No, just when you think you have some group of people all figured out, along comes one who shows that, once again, you have it wrong. Of course, some of us behave in such an annoying way towards those we prejudge that we get back something equally obnoxious, when we can then think, "Ah-hah! You see now, all (insert name here) are conniving bastards!"
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Old 29th Oct 2014, 12:23
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Tu.114,

Thank you for giving the straw-clutching american cousins a reality check....
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Old 29th Oct 2014, 12:29
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No, just when you think you have some group of people all figured out, along comes one who shows that, once again, you have it wrong.
Ah, so Jesus did have the occasional ham sandwich.
This makes Peter's epiphany on what a man can eat more sensible ...
(From Acts 10 ...)
And he became very hungry, and would have eaten: but while they made ready, he fell into a trance, and saw heaven opened, and a certain vessel descending unto him, as it had been a great sheet knit at the four corners, and let down to the earth: Wherein were all manner of fourfooted beasts of the earth, and wild beasts, and creeping things, and fowls of the air. And there came a voice to him, Rise, Peter; kill, and eat. But Peter said, Not so, Lord; for I have never eaten any thing that is common or unclean. And the voice spake unto him again the second time, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common. This was done thrice: and the vessel was received up again into heaven.
They don't make restaurants like they once did, even in Vienna.
The Holy Schnitzel, I say, verily, is a feast most divine.
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Old 29th Oct 2014, 12:44
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Tu.114, I, too, thank you for the explanation of Austrian gun laws.

While I disagree with the restrictions imposed by the Austrian state, I respect the right of the Austrian people to elect a government that enacted such laws.

That said, and despite all the Austrian-bashing, I find it wonderfully refresing that a European state, in the 21st century, doesn't infantilize its citizens and lets them decide for themselves whether to own, or not, a firearm.

Imagine, a nation with a recent-ish history of facism and worse, lets its citizens possess firearms if they so choose.

With a registered 85,000 in one city. I wonder how many are legally held in the entire country? And how many more are illegally held?

Yet, an Austrian can make his or her own decision.

The light of classic liberalism - the ability for the individual to make his own choices based on his own reasoning - still flickers in odd pockets of Western civilization.

Who'da thought?

I also notice that those so rabidly anti-US gun ownership are not marching en masse against the Austrians.

Or even this thread.

Wonder why?
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Old 29th Oct 2014, 12:46
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LW50 wrote:

The Holy Schnitzel, I say, verily, is a feast most divine.
Ach zu liebe Gott, das Wiener Schnitzel!

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Old 29th Oct 2014, 14:19
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Of course, the above shown plate shows at least two culinary abominations.

First of all, what is this shrubbery doing on top of a Schnitzel? This is the place for a lemon and nothing else.

Also, the side dish for a proper Schnitzel is the breadcrumb coating and nothing else. For tourists, a vinegary potato salad with red onions might be just tolerable, but parsley potatoes... no comment.

Yes, a Viennese Schnitzel is a serious matter.

Back to the guns. If I understand this correctly, there are several differences between the Austrian and the US approach to weapons.

- The US allows their citizens a much wider range of weapons than Austria does. Machine guns, AK47s and the like are not within the scope one might get a licence for here.

- Access to any weapon requires a licence to be obtained beforehand in Austria. Secure stowage (in a locked gun hold for example) to keep the gun out of reach of non-licensed hands is a must as well.

- There is no "Stand Your Ground" or similar law in Austria. Shooting to injure or kill an assailant will (not "may") result in a criminal investigation against the shooter.

- Also, there are cultural differences. There is no militia tradition in Austria; the federal authorities are accepted and able to keep the citizens reasonably safe.

That said, if one finds he has a need for a weapon, be it for sporting, hunting, or self defense reasons, while being a law-abiding, sane citizen that is not likely to harm anybody - why should the state shout "Verboten" just because? Of course, Austria has no traditional tendency to carry guns; crime is rather low (both perceived and absolute), so there is only a small minority feeling the above mentioned need and I do not see why this should change in the foreseeable future.

The 85.000 registered guns in Vienna seems an awful lot to me by the way. Does this include police, army and other officially armed organisations?
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Old 29th Oct 2014, 14:25
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The 85.000 registered guns in Vienna seems an awful lot to me by the way. Does this include police, army and other officially armed organisations?
Probably 3 times as many "in da hood" in Chicago. And no it does not include CPD.
 
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Tu.114:

The photo of the "culinary abomination" was taken in the Gasthaus Joainig am Wörthersee in Oesterreich, mein Freund.
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At the risk of heresy, I think that the best version of said dish was made in Southwest back in the day. I thought the slightly runny egg which was always on top and the cold Lion which came with it was phenomenal.

I also had a good version in Denmark, The little bit of lemon, horseradish and anchovy piled carefully on top was delightful (why is it called a Dreng?)

I like to make Schnitzel out of pheasant breaded with a combination of white corn and rice flour with a sort of bastard jaeger sauce with enough wild garlic that no one who didn't eat it with you wants to be around you for a day or so.
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Old 29th Oct 2014, 14:58
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Rgbrock, I am not saying that the contents of the plate do no look delicious. On the contrary. Just a bit avantgardistic from a purists point of view...
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Old 29th Oct 2014, 15:01
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421. No, i was merely trying to point out that the pictured Schnitzel is indeed "authentic". Actually, the best Weiner Schnitzel I ever had was in a Gasthof in Muenchen, Deutschland. Said Gasthof was owned, and run by, an Austrian couple!!!!
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Old 29th Oct 2014, 15:17
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I also notice that those so rabidly anti-US gun ownership are not marching en masse against the Austrians.
Because in the US you can just turn up at your local supermarket and buy a gun at the same time you're picking up a few beers.

In Austria they require a gun license to be held which is only granted alongside a background check. They don't sell guns in supermarkets either.

To be honest, I don't give a toss if the Americans want to run around with guns, but at least there should be some effort made into making it more difficult to own one in the first place.
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Old 29th Oct 2014, 15:19
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To be honest, I don't give a toss if the Americans want to run around with guns, but at least there should be some effort made into making it more difficult to own one in the first place.
So as long as they meet your requirements, you don't give a toss?
 
Old 29th Oct 2014, 15:21
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Because in the US you can just turn up at your local supermarket and buy a
gun at the same time you're picking up a few beers.
Ah yes, irrefutable anti-gunners' grasp of facts and logic.

And from such a distance, too. Knowing how 'it' works in the U.S.

Yet Austria trusts its citizens albeit in a highly (distasteful to me, but acceptable to them) regulated way as noted above.

Something a little more profound bubbling along, me thinks.
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Old 29th Oct 2014, 15:46
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Never mind the guns, let's discuss the Schnitzel! Und ze Hamburgersteacks, auch. Mit Rostzwiebeln, oder ohne?

Actually, I think that there should be a three-day waiting period for anyone wishing to order poutine. Discuss.
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A 3-day waiting period for poo-tang, chuks? What an outrage. When I want poo-tang I want it immediately. The thought of waiting 3 days for some poo-tang is outrageous.

Oh, poutine. Never mind. Carry on.
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Old 29th Oct 2014, 17:14
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Because in the US you can just turn up at your local supermarket and buy a gun at the same time you're picking up a few beers.
Another lie from another ignoramus on the internet. How quaint.

For firearms, you need to go to a drug store!

(Actually, most drug stores don't also carry firearms for sale, but this one happens to. It used to have a shooting range as well, not sure if it still does.)

@ Tu44:
First of all, what is this shrubbery doing on top of a Schnitzel? This is the place for a lemon and nothing else.
Must agree.
Also, the side dish for a proper Schnitzel is the breadcrumb coating and nothing else. For tourists, a vinegary potato salad with red onions might be just tolerable, but parsley potatoes... no comment.
Indeed.
Yes, a Viennese Schnitzel is a serious matter.
When done properly, a delightful meal.
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