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Old 8th Nov 2014, 23:33
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Do you reckon every US legal gun owner signs up to that?
SFFP,

That's a better argument for enforced sterilization than useless government controls. If government is going to granted powers you propose (no notice home raids, for one); I'd sooner see something effective, like licensing pregnancy (and voting) to property holding, tax paying, well referenced citizens.

Cont to think of it, that's a good idea!

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Old 8th Nov 2014, 23:41
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Originally Posted by BOING View Post

There is no penalty (other than what the authorities provide) for a non-malicious, non-stupid screw-up.
Picture a car crash, no one hurt just a fender bender.....

Someone is to blame, the insurance folk work out who that is and someone gets 'punished' by increased premiums........

Life is no different so why when someone does 'stooooopid with a gun' should they be treated any differently than 'stooooopid with a car'?
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Old 8th Nov 2014, 23:41
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Boing, encouraged by His Governorship, we've been in a "No-burn" condition for months now. Can't burn leaves, cooking off some tumbleweeds requires all sorts of nanny-state precautions. We're lucky we can still grill some brats.

But the grass is still green, I'm still picking tomatoes in the garden, and most folks hereabouts have guns, and haven't shot off any fingers lately.
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Old 8th Nov 2014, 23:50
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Originally Posted by galaxy flyer View Post
SFFP,

That's a better argument for enforced sterilization than useless government controls. If government is going to granted powers you propose (no notice home raids, for one); I'd sooner see something effective, like licensing pregnancy (and voting) to property holding, tax paying, well referenced citizens.

Cont to think of it, that's a good idea!

GF
That's a pretty seriously fecked up out look on life.......
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Old 9th Nov 2014, 00:26
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I disagree, ex post facto abortion is seriously fecked up. Kid turns 18 and is still a mess--whack him. That's fecked up.

Anyway, what's your problem? The problem with guns is NOT the inanimate object, it's the nut who has one on in his hands. Far easier to work on the animate person than the inanimate object. And what's better than eliminating the nut prior to any bad acts being committed? Do you want extremely late term abortion aka execution.

In any case, thanks for your discerning taste--I've worked hard on having a fecked attitude. Loads of people have given all the proof I needed, everyday.

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Old 9th Nov 2014, 00:44
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like licensing pregnancy (and voting) to property holding, tax paying, well referenced citizens.
Limiting the vote to taxpayers would result in immense increase in economic activity, general standard of living, and restoration of our moribund economies.

I think there are still too many lefties among us to let it happen, though. The recent US elections spark hope.
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Old 9th Nov 2014, 00:51
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Ben There,

Well, it would eliminate all the "negative work" caused by the non-productive amongst us. Just to be fair, the non-productive are of equal opportunity regardless of race, creed or national origin. Same for the productive, by the way.

The leftie, liberal agenda is all about subsidizing failure and punishing success. See how that's worked out in Detroit?

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Old 9th Nov 2014, 09:06
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a work colleague of mine when I worked in Ft Lauderdale used to tell me how he loved to play with his guns and they had to be loaded for maximum enjoyment.
What is it about your guns that cause so much miss directed passion.
i own a couple of firearms for feral fox removal and they don't in the slightest cause me any arousal. What am I doing wrong?
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Old 9th Nov 2014, 09:29
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Aardvark - you are doing it absolutely right,it is the normal ones that do not regard guns as penis extensions.
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Old 9th Nov 2014, 09:31
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By the way - Snap On 72 tooth ratchets do it for me!
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Old 9th Nov 2014, 09:48
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Can't beat a snap on screwdriver, oooh yeah!
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Old 9th Nov 2014, 11:18
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Snap On 72 tooth ratchets do it for me!
They do a 72? damm i want want one, wonder how it goes with a pipe on the end of it.
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Old 9th Nov 2014, 12:16
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Originally Posted by galaxy flyer View Post
The leftie, liberal agenda is all about subsidizing failure and punishing success.
Given that "success" as defined in the capitalist world is as much about lucky breaks as it is about hard work I don't really see an issue with that. Offering a safety net for those who try hard but do not succeed (for whatever reason) is one thing; giving money to the lazy is another and I don't think many people, regardless of political stripe, would condone the latter.

Back on topic, BOING appears to have no objections to my suggestions. I see there is a fundamental difference in outlook between our two nations, and see how this will lead to people wanting firearms as an individual issue rather than preventing their proliferation as a societal one: you've no faith in your government or your fellow man (although there will doubtless be claims otherwise caveated with the denial that criminals are human) and only trust yourself and those very like you, which leads to a very individualistic outlook.
The US is different to the rest of the developed world in many ways, and not all of them good (imho). There is more racial tension, more intergenerational poverty in ghettos and in some rural areas, more a culture of mistrusting government, more a culture of violence than in the other OECD countries (source). One of the least "good" of these, again imho, is the apparent lack of empathy for others in society which such an outlook brings, and the subsequent "screw them" attitude to those who do not "succeed" (by whatever subjective measure) or do not live by your individual standards, and the inability to compromise on anything which might impinge on your lifestyle even if it will save many lives. It's that lack of empathy which leads to objections to even the simplest concepts such as training requirements for fear that they will lead to something worse. Those who will not compromise on a solution (from both sides) are part of the problem: they are complicit in those deaths due to their willful obstruction of any action which might help prevent them.
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Old 9th Nov 2014, 12:31
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They do a 72? damm i want want one, wonder how it goes with a pipe on the end of it.
I am sure it does fine, but my favorite is MAC.

I also have a few 40-year old Craftsman which have seen a lot of action, including the pipe treatment. Still working like new. I especially like the Carftsman sockets in 3/8, they have extremely thin sides and fit in tight places.

The best screwdrivers are Wiha, pliers are Knipex.
 
Old 9th Nov 2014, 12:57
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Given that "success" as defined in the capitalist world is as much about lucky breaks as it is about hard work I don't really see an issue with that. Offering a safety net for those who try hard but do not succeed (for whatever reason) is one thing; giving money to the lazy is another and I don't think many people, regardless of political stripe, would condone the latter.
You shoul re think your statement in view of what the Demmocrats have done, over a period of 50 years, in places like Detroit. Look up "Great Society and LBJ". When you institutionalize the giving part, the recepients see it as a right not a gesture of good will.



Back on topic, BOING appears to have no objections to my suggestions. I see there is a fundamental difference in outlook between our two nations, and see how this will lead to people wanting firearms as an individual issue rather than preventing their proliferation as a societal one: you've no faith in your government or your fellow man (although there will doubtless be claims otherwise caveated with the denial that criminals are human) and only trust yourself and those very like you, which leads to a very individualistic outlook.
Yes, you are starting to understand.


The US is different to the rest of the developed world in many ways, and not all of them good (imho). There is more racial tension, more intergenerational poverty in ghettos and in some rural areas, more a culture of mistrusting government, more a culture of violence than in the other OECD countries (source). One of the least "good" of these, again imho, is the apparent lack of empathy for others in society which such an outlook brings, and the subsequent "screw them" attitude to those who do not "succeed" (by whatever subjective measure) or do not live by your individual standards, and the inability to compromise on anything which might impinge on your lifestyle even if it will save many lives. It's that lack of empathy which leads to objections to even the simplest concepts such as training requirements for fear that they will lead to something worse. Those who will not compromise on a solution (from both sides) are part of the problem: they are complicit in those deaths due to their willful obstruction of any action which might help prevent them.
This has been discussed many times here, but I want to remind you that Americans are, by far, the largest per capita charity givers in the world. You are right that Americans don't trust the government to do anything so they do it themselves. The rest of the world lets the government do it with their tax dollars. Who is more emphatetic?

Whether it is defense of your loved ones or helping the poor you turn to the government and offer your hard earned cash isolating yourselves from the responsibility. Who is more emphatetic?

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Old 9th Nov 2014, 13:29
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You think the US has an appalling gun violence problem and you are quite happy to exaggerate it
Between 2005 and 2010, an annual average of over 232,000 firearms stolen during home burglaries.

Approximately 65% of all murders in the USA and carried out with guns.

Roughly 10,000 killed by guns each year.


With figures such as those Boing, (and no, they have nut been exaggerated, in fact I have rounded the numbers down ) don't you think that the US has an appalling gun violence problem or do you find those figures acceptable?
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Old 9th Nov 2014, 13:37
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You gotta expect some losses in a big operation, 747 jock.

My first squadron commander taught me that.

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Old 9th Nov 2014, 13:43
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You gotta expect some losses in a big operation, 747 jock.

My first squadron commander taught me that.

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As they are quite happy to admit and accept in the NHS thread.
 
Old 9th Nov 2014, 13:44
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but I want to remind you that Americans are, by far, the largest per capita charity givers in the world.
That is after:- Australia, New Zealand, Canada, Ireland and Switzerland.

I think what you meant to say was " but I want to remind you that Americans are, by far, the largest per capita charity givers in America."
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Old 9th Nov 2014, 14:06
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Dushan - I know little about Detroit, but I know well enough that the Nordic model of government seems to work pretty well. I'm not espousing total socialism at all.
When you institutionalize the giving part, the recepients see it as a right not a gesture of good will.
This appears to be a symptom of your lack of trust of others rather than based on some sort of evidence. Certainly some might see it that way, but far from all.
Yes, you are starting to understand.
I understand fine. What I don't understand is your complicity in maintaining the status quo regarding the deaths of others.
I want to remind you that Americans are, by far, the largest per capita charity givers in the world.
The OECD seems to suggest otherwise when you look at aid to developing countries as a portion of GNI (which makes sense, as a millionaire giving $100 is far less charitable than the ordinary many giving $10), where the US comes 20th.
Of course, I expect some sort of "charity begins at home" response, and even then the US doesn't come top, but 5th. That said, if that much charity is needed at home then perhaps something is very wrong there...
Who is more emphatetic?
Not the US, it seems, if you accept charitable giving as a measure of empathy. I don't. The desire to place a safety net for others who are unfortunate is more of a measure, imo.

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