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Old 2nd Nov 2014, 21:53
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Is this the other side of the gun culture?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=09BZ6ikBZ54

I wonder where those guys stand on the issue of the 2nd Amendment?
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Old 2nd Nov 2014, 22:04
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Objection. Relevance.
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Old 2nd Nov 2014, 22:11
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John Hill, are you confusing this thread with chemtrails thread?
 
Old 2nd Nov 2014, 22:17
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"Coal Rollers": Conservatives intentionally spew black smoke from their cars to piss off liberals


The liberals seem a little surprised that conspicuous consumption—waste, even—could be a method of protest. They shouldn’t be. The motivation for political coal rolling is roughly the same one that gets people buying guns and ammo after mass shootings. The expectation, every time, is that liberals will capitalize on the shootings to ban guns, so it’s time to stock up.
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Old 2nd Nov 2014, 22:46
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I so want one..

For as little as $500, anyone with a diesel truck and a dream can install a smoke stack and the equipment that lets a driver “trick the engine” into needing more fuel. The result is a burst of black smoke that doubles as a political or cultural statement—a protest against the EPA, a ritual shaming of hybrid “rice burners,” and a stellar source of truck memes.
Thanks John Hill.
 
Old 2nd Nov 2014, 23:00
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The lost fact is, while shooters and gun owners maybe less than 1/3rd of the population, it's a single-issue voting bloc and it crosses parties. Plenty of Democrats, regardless of the NRA are as adamant as Republicans. It's more a city vs. rural divide.

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Old 2nd Nov 2014, 23:01
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“And you think that Soroses and Bloombergs, and countless others don't do the exact opposite to NRA? You can't be that naive.”

Of course they are trying to influence the debate and so they should be. The gun homicide rate in the US compared to civilized countries is proof enough that the pendulum has a great deal of distance to travel to even come close to achieving a balance.

And thus far, Soros and Bloomberg have not even scratched the surface of influence compared to the deceitful NRA.
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Old 2nd Nov 2014, 23:08
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This alone flies right in the face of the 2nd.
While it might be possible to argue that it does for guns (despite the provisions of the National Firearms Act), I see no way that taxation of ammunition goes against the 2nd.
Chicago is already doing it: Using sales taxes as a gun control tool - Rachael Bade - POLITICO.com

Oh, and:
States look to tax guns, ammo
Obama?s Advisors: Disarm America Through Taxation - Freedom Outpost
Gun Taxes and State Revenues
How Raising Taxes on Guns Could Reduce Violence | The Fiscal Times
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/10/ny...n-control.html

If your only objection to my proposals is that one of them "is unconstitutional" but is actually happening right now then you don't really have an objection.
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Old 2nd Nov 2014, 23:12
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Originally Posted by AnQrKa View Post

And thus far, Soros and Bloomberg have not even scratched the surface of influence compared to the deceitful NRA.

And why do you think that is? Surely not due to lack of funds. It's because. No matter how much money they spend on influencing the politicians, the opposing view translates to a sheer majority of votes. The politicians may be dumb asses, but they are not stupid.
So despite all the money and influence pedaling the will of the people prevails. It may not be the best system, but it is a pretty damn good one.
 
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If your only objection to my proposals is that one of them "is unconstitutional" but is actually happening right now then you don't really have an objection.
I do have an objection, and I know that each and every one of these initiatives will be fought in courts and ultimately found unconstitutional.

Ther'll be free guns with each happy meal.
 
Old 2nd Nov 2014, 23:18
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I know that each and every one of these initiatives will be fought in courts and ultimately found unconstitutional.
Well thank you for that thought, Supreme Justice Dushan...

In the meantime, I'm sure you good folks here are pretty good at making your own ammo. Stock up on the guns, though.
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Old 2nd Nov 2014, 23:29
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A friend at the club makes ammo, so I can always get it from him, but I have ~12k rounds in the bottom drawer. I am good for now.

I have all the guns I want, foe now, although I did see a Nice AR-15 for sale on the board at the club, today.

Oh and BTW, several hundred shots from my guns, this afternoon, and nobody got killed or injured. They safely travelled from home to club and back. The world did not come to an end. Paper targets, well RIP.


Edited to add: The only thing I haven't done yet is clean all the guns, after shooting. Does anyone know if I have to remove the chambeed round, when cleaning, or is it Ok to leave it as is?

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Old 2nd Nov 2014, 23:45
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Tax on ammo, not so much here-I just loaded a case of 12ga shells unknown to anyone but my wife. I load both shotgun and metallic cartridges by the hundreds.

The FBI estimates 1 billion gunshots per fatality, so there's that going for us.

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Old 2nd Nov 2014, 23:54
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If having a gun in your house or on your person makes you 'safe', America must be the safest country on the planet..
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Old 3rd Nov 2014, 00:05
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Originally Posted by Dushan View Post

Edited to add: The only thing I haven't done yet is clean all the guns, after shooting. Does anyone know if I have to remove the chambeed round, when cleaning, or is it Ok to leave it as is?
As a disinterested observer please just leave it in.
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You are aware of course that Bloomberg has a retinue of 17 armed bodyguards. F**in hypocrite. I bet he is more interested in saving his own backside than saving schoolkids.


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Using sales as gun control will only go so far. There are Federal judges who are pretty upset right now that Chicago and Washington DC are dragging their feet in reforming their gun control laws with financial tricks. You don't PO a Federal Judge unless you want to spend some time inside for contempt.''
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You can leave the round in the chamber, just don't snap the trigger to test it after you finish the cleaning.
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Old 3rd Nov 2014, 00:37
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As a disinterested observer please just leave it in.
Ah, thanks. I always get confused if I have to take them out. I never know which one goes where, after.
 
Old 3rd Nov 2014, 01:07
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Dushan,,

Ask him.

Jose Canseco shot himself in the hand while cleaning his gun | For The Win
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