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Old 29th Oct 2014, 17:16
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Overpenetration by handguns or rifle rounds is a real concern. Doesn't do much good to take down the home-invading bad guy if the round goes through the drywall and hits a loved one or a neighbor.
I know what you mean. I used to have nightmares about that very concern. But when I woke up, I remembered that I don't have a gun, nor does my neighbour. Because we are not allowed to. Suits me fine.

In America do as you think fit. It is your choice. Equally, stop all this nonsense about your views on what takes place in other countries. That is their choice.

The choices turned out to be different. People can be different.
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Old 29th Oct 2014, 17:20
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PTT, points worth pondering.
Consider the freedom to choose.

Not everyone on this side of the pond owns firearms. That is a choice one is free to make. I'd like to keep it that way.
Absolutely, but that wasn't the point I was addressing. I was simply saying that the regular "chicken little" calls ring somewhat hollow.

The freedom to choose is perfectly reasonable. There is also the freedom as a society to recognise that perhaps sometimes (certainly not all the time or most of the time) those who most want guns are those who should be least allowed to have them and to impose restrictions on the individual for the safety of all. Such restrictions apply in many situations regardless of the Franklin quote.
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Old 29th Oct 2014, 17:20
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wings, if more people adopted that attitude, there'd be fewer of these threads and fewer inane comments in same.

Then what would we talk about?

Wiener Schnitzel?
How to cook the perfect omelette?

Actually, that's not a bad idea!
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Old 29th Oct 2014, 17:25
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Originally Posted by Lonewolf_50 View Post
And you can't guarantee that the city bus won't swerve and hit your car.
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Nope, which is why I take preventative measures like wearing a seatbelt for instance. Unlike you when you leave live weapons lying around.
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Old 29th Oct 2014, 17:26
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wings, if more people adopted that attitude, there'd be fewer of these threads and fewer inane comments in same.

Then what would we talk about?

Wiener Schnitzel?
How to cook the perfect omlette?

Actually, that's not a bad idea!
I know.

I began an egg thread ages ago; it went on for page after page and rooted out violently opposing views on how to poach an egg (e.g. swirl the water or leave it still?), or how to scramble (no, not bandits high at 10 o'clock).

A thread which had much more value, I feel.
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Old 29th Oct 2014, 17:30
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An egg thread became violent? Wow. Can you imagine what would happen in a sausage thread? Thermo-nuclear warfare no doubt.
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Old 29th Oct 2014, 17:37
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In America do as you think fit. It is your choice. Equally, stop all this
nonsense about your views on what takes place in other countries. That is their choice.
This has been my point in each and every U.S. gun thread.

Every single one of them.

Yet it is ONLY the American gun threads which drive the largely European comments, mostly negative, about America, Americans' possession of guns, Americans' freedom of choice.

Look at this thread at 22 pages and slowly winding down and the Vienna gun one at 3 pages.

The latter has been running for far less time than this one, but this one reached 3 pages within the first day.

Why is that?

Why do American gun threads draw European fire yet ones in their own backyard are dismissed?

Even deleted.

I am all for each nation deciding for itself and leaving them to it.
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Old 29th Oct 2014, 17:40
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Originally Posted by PTT View Post
those who most want guns are those who should be least allowed to have them and to impose restrictions on the individual for the safety of all.
That doesn't apply here, since the vast majority of those who own firearms DON'T commit crimes with them.

You'll also note that we have rules, like, convicted felons are by law not permitted to own firearms. (In some states, the right can be restored via a formal appeal/process, etc, which is a bit like a licensing process ... and as such, reserved as a requirement for those who have already demonstrated a behavior of felonious behavior.)

PTT, not even a nice try on that one.
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Old 29th Oct 2014, 17:40
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I am all for each nation deciding for itself and leaving them to it.
Very noble. So stop posting such as:

Your mileage may vary.

Except in Europe where the government's got your back.
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Old 29th Oct 2014, 17:40
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Freedom of choice.

But bless your little cotton socks for being a bit sensitive.
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Old 29th Oct 2014, 17:43
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How many European gun threads have there been where Americans call on Europeans to stop their insanity?

American gun threads start every 6 months or so and it's pretty much always the same.

Americans are going to have their guns if they want them. It's in the Constitution and most of us love the Constitution. I don't think that'll change in my lifetime.

Interestingly, the all-too-frequent shoot ups we have motivate me to promote more general carry while they have just the opposite effect on critics of our gun laws.

I think I can go out on a limb and predict threads like this will reappear until PPRuNe's last day.
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Old 29th Oct 2014, 17:43
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Gosh. Page 22.

Has anyone changed their opinion????


Even slightly????


Move along. Nothing new here. Rubber neckers not required.
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Old 29th Oct 2014, 17:46
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I was a participant in that egg thread, wings, and learned a bit about technique. A worthy discussion indeed. It had to do with breakfast!
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Old 29th Oct 2014, 17:47
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I genuinely thought you 'Murricans were big on Freedom of Speech as well as Freedom of Choice.................or does it only extend to Freedom of 'your kind' of Speech?
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Old 29th Oct 2014, 17:53
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Another lie from you, LSM.
Unlike you when you leave live weapons lying around.
I don't "leave live weapons lying around."
LSM, does it give you joy to spread falsehoods?
SFFP:
You are free to demonstrate your ignorance as far as you like, and others are free to expose/point out same to you.
(True for us all, on the interwebs ... )
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Old 29th Oct 2014, 17:58
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or does it only extend to Freedom of 'your kind' of Speech?
There is a difference between restricting what one can say and disagreeing with what someone says.

No one here is or has, attempted to restrict (censor) what you post.

You are the one that seems to have a problem with people disagreeing with you, just from the post of yours I quoted.
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Old 29th Oct 2014, 18:00
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I was a participant in that egg thread, wings, and learned a bit about technique. A worthy discussion indeed. It had to do with breakfast!
I remember you well; con-pilot was also a worthy contributor.
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Old 29th Oct 2014, 18:01
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Let's see how worthy con-pilot is in his contributions to the thread
"Brussels Sprouts Gorge Fest."
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Old 29th Oct 2014, 18:07
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Naw, I think I'll start a popcorn thread.

White popcorn popped the old fashion way is the best.
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Old 29th Oct 2014, 18:07
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Originally Posted by Lonewolf_50 View Post
Another lie from you, LSM.
I don't "leave live weapons lying around."
LSM, does it give you joy to spread falsehoods?
If it's a lie you should be able to prove that I know you don't leave live weapons lying around. But you can't. Your incessant claims of lies is all a bit playground.

If you don't leave live weapons lying around the my comments are obviously not aimed at you so what are you getting all uppity for?
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