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Old 14th Apr 2017, 01:57
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I wonder what will happen this weekend should the North test a weapon. Lots of ink being spilled in the press over this question.

From a PPruner's perspective, will John Hill be able to get out in time should fisticuffs ensue?
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Old 14th Apr 2017, 12:21
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Trump is rounding up allies prior to "engaging" with NK, which is a very useful and important thing to do, if you want to smack out a bully.
NK on the other hand, has few allies of any strength or ability - except China. There will be flurries of exchanges right about now between the NK military leaders and the Chinese military leaders, as to just how much help they will get from China, if the Donald smacks a few loads of HE down on their military infrastructure.
Methinks it won't be anything like the help they got from the Chinese, in 1950-1953, this could be a serious miscalculation on their part.
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Old 14th Apr 2017, 14:32
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I wonder if the Big Bang over Afghanistan wasn't a systems check on kit that's been in store for about 13/14 years ?
Isn't tomorrow a big anniversary date in North Korea something to do with short fat wuns grandad.
Just like Trump to spoil another party! He's wrecking his own.
I wonder what was really said between Trump and Xi at their meeting?
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Old 14th Apr 2017, 18:16
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Methinks it won't be anything like the help they got from the Chinese, in 1950-1953
When the Chinese joined the Korean War it was only one year from when the 'War of Liberation' had been won in China. The United Nations forces were right up to the Yalu River and had almost overwhelmed the North Korean Forces. The Chinese 'volunteers' of which a large proportion were Chinese Nationalist POWs, swarmed over the border in human waves so as to keep the march of communism going.

China's concern, apart from millions of refugees, is having the present North Korea collapse and being replaced by a modern democratic country on it's border.

Should there be a way found of deposing Kim and his system and replacing it with a modern but not so squeaky clean regime then China would be the first to back it.
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Old 14th Apr 2017, 19:11
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I wonder if all these foreign correspondents that have been invited to Pyongyang for a 'Great Celebration' are merely human shields
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Old 14th Apr 2017, 19:45
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This may be a little unorthodox but having visited North Korea and done a fair bit of reading on the topic as well, I would dare to say that there is little appetite in Pyongyang for any conflict whatsoever.

The country previously survived on a steady stream of Soviet aid which turned to a trickle after perestroika and the break up of the USSR. After this point they faced a very bleak future with their lifeline having been cut. The objective of the development of the military and especially their nuclear weapons, is to give them leverage when at the negotiating table.

If we see any moves being made by the North Koreans, then I would dare to say that those surrounding Kim Jong Un will witness his decision to take action with great unease with many quietly not sharing his desire for conflict. Many who hold positions of power and influence in the North Korean government know that they will not last very long in any conflict with the US, plus they risk their own lives and comfortable lifestyles too.
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Old 14th Apr 2017, 20:05
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I keep wondering to what extent Kim Jong Un really runs things and how many decisions are made by the inner circle of men with dinner plate size hats?
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Old 14th Apr 2017, 20:52
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It was Joseph Stalin who instructed the Chinese to assist the North Koreans. He did not want Russia to directly confront the UN Forces. Doing things by proxy was a favourite ploy of his.
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Old 14th Apr 2017, 21:27
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In March 1949 as Mao's armies were heading towards victory Kim Il Sung went to Moscow to persuade Stalin to him help him seize the south. Stalin, not wishing to confront America said no. Kim turned to Mao who gave him a firm commitment after he had taken the whole of China.

Mao encouraged Kim to invade the south and take on the USA as early as May 1949. Kim used this information to pressurise Stalin into supporting his invasion of South Korea.

(This information comes from the book 'Mao, The Unknown Story' by Jung Chang and Jon Hallidy)
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Old 14th Apr 2017, 21:46
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Originally Posted by The AvgasDinosaur View Post
Isn't tomorrow a big anniversary date in North Korea something to do with short fat wuns grandad.
It is the 105th anniversary of the birth of Kim Il Sung.
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Old 15th Apr 2017, 02:09
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"if you want to smack out a bully."

An example of NK being a bully would be . . . . ?
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Old 15th Apr 2017, 03:39
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Bad decision attending that Birthday a Party!

It might some real fireworks they get to see!



Originally Posted by Fareastdriver View Post
I wonder if all these foreign correspondents that have been invited to Pyongyang for a 'Great Celebration' are merely human shields
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Old 15th Apr 2017, 09:37
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Originally Posted by oicur12.again View Post
"if you want to smack out a bully."

An example of NK being a bully would be . . . . ?
Er, developing ICBMs to hold the entire Asia-Pacific region to ransom?
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Old 15th Apr 2017, 10:07
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If Trump wanted to take out NK today would have been ideal what with Kim's army generally marching around and polishing the wheelnuts on their missile carriers etc. etc.

Tough on all the foreign reporters there, especially the ones that Kim invited.
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Old 15th Apr 2017, 10:53
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There's a distinct possibility that NK is yanking everyone's chain. Pretending to prepare for another nuclear test,knowing full well they are under satellite surveillance. Watching the US carrier battle group steaming towards them,watching the joint exercises with SK and Japan. Oh,what fun....
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Old 15th Apr 2017, 11:56
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If Trump wanted to take out NK today would have been ideal what with Kim's army generally marching around and polishing the wheelnuts on their missile carriers etc. etc.
The TV footage was most impressive! All the Missiles on their carrier/launching vehicles, between all the goose stepping Soldiers!

I wonder just how many of those 'missiles' were nothing more than empty tubes?

And another thing; Has anyone else noticed that the dear/great/whatever he is called Leader has absolutely NFI how to perform a proper Military Salute? And also really appears to give the impression that he has no idea as to what he is supposed to be doing!

Which gives rise to the question; Who is actually in charge there? My suspicion is that the Men wearing the dinner plate sized hats are really calling the shots.
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Old 15th Apr 2017, 12:00
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Watching the BBC report on the parade.

North Korea 'ready for nuclear attack' amid show of force - BBC News

I noticed that when Kim wasn't clapping with glee with the others his eyes were constantly shifting around as if he was fearful of a sniper.
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Old 15th Apr 2017, 13:51
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Was Donald not invited?
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Old 15th Apr 2017, 14:08
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An example of NK being a bully would be ....
Constantly carrying out regular nuke tests and ballistic missile tests, and lobbing those missiles into the Sea of Japan (i.e. - Japanese territorial waters).
NK has been carrying out a very successful program of bait and switch for the last 64 years, or utilising threatening behaviour to obtain concessions - even from the U.S.
It has ignored every attempt to mediate, indulge in conciliation talks, flatly refuses to even consider peace talks, and is intent on becoming a substantial nuclear power at any cost.
It's exactly like the school bully making moves to acquire a very large and fearful weapon, and threatening to use it on anyone who stands in his way.

What we need in the West today is a Western Leader prepared to stand in the way of NK's nuclear ambitions, and to take some serious, pro-active moves to isolate NK and make it very fearful for its survival in its current form.
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Old 15th Apr 2017, 21:43
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Originally Posted by oicur12.again View Post

An example of NK being a bully would be . . . . ?
You want the entire list beginning with June 25, 1950 when Fat Boy's grandpa invaded the South up until his own present day provocations and threats?
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