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Old 18th Aug 2016, 08:58
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Originally Posted by John Hill View Post
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I dont have to make any such comparisons but only a hypocrite would criticise another country when their's is guilty of the same or worse sins.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intellectual_honesty

Look it up, John.
You might learn something.
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Old 18th Aug 2016, 09:12
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I wonder if JH was in Fiji about ten years ago. There was a Kiwi there spouting anti USA hate continuously. His reasoning as to why the Americans didn't invade Japan in 1945 was because they didn't have any oil.
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Old 18th Aug 2016, 09:15
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I think you might be the lad with problems of intellectual honesty or perhaps you really do believe that people do not die from torture in US prisons and that the US does not have one of the highest incarceration rates in the 'western' world which by some estimates is on a par with the DPRK.
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I wonder if JH was in Fiji about ten years ago. There was a Kiwi there spouting anti USA hate continuously. His reasoning as to why the Americans didn't invade Japan in 1945 was because they didn't have any oil.
You mean there really was oil in Japan?
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Old 18th Aug 2016, 10:16
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Originally Posted by John Hill View Post
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You mean there really was oil in Japan?
Of course not. But there was plenty oil floating and burning in Pearl Harbor after the Japs attacked without a declaration of war.
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Old 18th Aug 2016, 10:21
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Sort of like Baghdad then.
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Oh but Baghdad was different as Saddam had WMDs. I know that because Colin Powell told me so.

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Old 18th Aug 2016, 10:47
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I think you might be the lad with problems of intellectual honesty or perhaps you really do believe that people do not die from torture in US prisons and that the US does not have one of the highest incarceration rates in the 'western' world which by some estimates is on a par with the DPRK.
I'm still waiting to know how many Yanks risked their lives escaping the terrible dictatorship of G.W. and Mr. O.
Care to produce those numbers? Or you want to compare only what suits you?
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Old 18th Aug 2016, 10:48
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First we have to address those comparisons I posted.
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Old 18th Aug 2016, 11:02
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First we have to address those comparisons I posted.
They have been. The US incarcerate their petty criminals, the North Koreans kill theirs. QED.

That you have failed to grasp this is entirely due to your continuing state of denial.
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Old 18th Aug 2016, 11:12
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The US incarcerate their petty criminals
... if they aren't shot first.
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... if they aren't shot first.
Miniscule, compared to the number killed by those of their own tribe.

Meanwhile, another useful idiot parades his naivety ....

The totalitarian state, led by Kim Jong-Un, is accused of systematic human rights abuses.
Amnesty International estimates that hundreds of thousands of people are held in detention facilities, in which it says that torture is rampant and execution commonplace.

Aid agencies have estimated that up to two million people have died since the mid-1990s because of acute food shortages caused by natural disasters and economic mismanagement.

The country relies on food aid from other countries.

"I am not an investigative journalist. I don't really do political commentary and there are other places on the internet you can go to find those kinds of things," said Louis.
Vlogger Louis Cole denies North Korea paid for videos of his trip - BBC Newsbeat
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... if they aren't shot first.

Miniscule [sic], compared to the number killed by those of their own tribe.
Agreed, but this is about state killings.
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Old 18th Aug 2016, 12:33
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The world's two shortest books ....

The Use of Truth and Reason in Political Dialogue, by Donald J. Trump

and

Practicing Intellectual Honesty, by John Hill.

Remember the last time you accused me of dishonesty, John? Probably not, since it ended in tears for you! Thank God for screenshots from the Prune, say I.

There's not much to admire in Kim Jong-un, but I have to admit that he does manage to get away with telling some real whoppers. We've come up with a competitor, Donald J. Trump, but our guy does not seem to enjoy the same level of success at making stuff up. The Donald is just as good at making stuff up, but he keeps getting nailed for lying. I guess that is what happens when you come up against press freedom.

North Korea has been out of the news lately, aside from one of their athletes exhibiting the proper spirit of the Olympic games by being friendly with one of her South Korean competitors. On the other hand, the North is trailing badly in the medal score, sat 10 places behind the South, in 21st. I guess we should expect another missile launch as a way of playing catch-up.
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Old 18th Aug 2016, 23:37
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That gymnast's family are probably already in the gulag, or dead.
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That gymnast's family are probably already in the gulag, or dead.
Have you got any reason to suggest that?
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Because the dogs needed to be fed.
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I just came back from a lovely vacation in the United States, where I visited three states. Friendly people, clean streets, wonderful parks, excellent roads. Good food and beverages. It was affordable, and never did I feel unsafe.

The U.S.A. and Canada are still choice destinations for immigrants from all over the world. People are willing to risk their lives to come to those countries.

And no I am not an American.

And yes, I have traveled to many other countries, some of which could be called "third world".
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Old 19th Aug 2016, 03:10
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Originally Posted by John Hill View Post
Have you got any reason to suggest that?
http://www.forbes.com/sites/donaldkirk/2016/04/09/for-13-north-korean-restaurant-defectors-choice-between-concern-for-families-fear-of-punishment/#50e498e2a17b

The staff of the failed overseas North Korean restaurant in Vietnam had a difficult choice. What would happen to them if they returned to Pyongyang, confronting severe criticism, interrogation and possible torture and imprisonment? But what would become of their families if they opted instead to defect to South Korea?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Korean_defectors

If the defectors are caught in China, they are repatriated back to North Korea to face harsh interrogations and years of punishment, or even death in political prison camps such as Yodok camp or reeducation camps such as Chungsan camp or Chongori camp.[5][6]

http://nationalreport.net/north-korean-soccer-team-detained-scheduled-execution-loss-south-korea/

m Jong-un has reportedly had the entire North Korean soccer team jailed and awaiting their public execution after enduring a humiliating 1-0 loss to their South Korean rivals.
After the game, North Korea’s athletes were escorted to a waiting bus where they were then transferred to a maximum security North Korean prison.

The Kim dynasty does not tolerate anything resembling submitting to the south.
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Old 19th Aug 2016, 03:15
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Originally Posted by evansb View Post
I just came back from a lovely vacation in the United States, where I visited three states. Friendly people, clean streets, wonderful parks, excellent roads. Good food and beverages. It was affordable, and never did I feel unsafe.

The U.S.A. and Canada are still choice destinations for immigrants from all over the world. People are willing to risk their lives to come to those countries.

And no I am not an American.

And yes, I have traveled to many other countries, some of which could be called "third world".
Not so affordable for me now as it was with the strong dollar and weak Euro, but at least we're getting more visitors from their side of the pond. Fine people and a beautiful country. The U.S. is absolutely my favourite country to visit, skiing, deserts, tropical islands and everything inbetween.
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