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Old 3rd Jul 2018, 03:37
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I would hope that before military operations and/or regime ending extreme sanctions occur that all measures would have been exhausted.
Face to face-check.

I can’t imagine the sec of state is heading there to to exchange pleasantries.
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Old 3rd Jul 2018, 09:42
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I think that Kim got what he wanted from Trump, more than he expected, even. Trump told the world all about how Kim's a great guy who's going to do away with his nuclear, after having that meeting with no preconditions.

My goodness, but that is about as silly as Trump congratulating Putin on his dodgy election win, ignoring that "DO NOT CONGRATULATE!" note on the front of the briefing material pack he probably did not bother to read.

Now Kim can go ahead with his nuclear, leaving Trump to 'splain himself about how his securing that Kim's not a risk turns out not to be what Trump said it was. Kim can just revert to his long-held position about giving up his nukes ... the minute the USA cuts South Korea loose from any defense agreements and pulls its troops out. Meanwhile, would anyone like to bet about the possibility of a missile launch, or an underground test of a nuclear device just before our November mid-term elections. Unless, of course, Trump gives Kim something else nice, more than just a challenge coin with his fat little face on it, and calling him "very honorable, loving," and, of course, "loved by his people."
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Old 3rd Jul 2018, 20:39
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Originally Posted by Uncle Fred View Post
Looks as if there might be a second meeting. North Koreans seem, however, to be working full apace on their overall nuclear and missile programs.
And there are mass graves of hundreds of thousands in Kosovo. And Saddam Hussein has WMDs that can hit London in 45 seconds.
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Old 3rd Jul 2018, 21:15
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Vanity Fair had just popped up with the story ahead of others--thus that link. It is now being widely reported. I will agree that 38 North is among the best when it comes to NK reporting.

I don't understand your post MG. Though I often do, I offered no editorial on my latest post. It was a report on another possible meeting and the apparent progress NK is continuing to make with their efforts toward enrichment and such.
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Old 4th Jul 2018, 00:12
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The people claiming North Korea is still building missiles and nukes are the same people who claimed there were mass graves of hundreds of thousands in Kosovo, that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction so powerful that we must invade his country, and that, no, the Soviet Union was not going to collapse.

It's possible, I guess, that Kim has decided he'd rather commit suicide as dictator of a third-world commiestan than become a wealthy man in a 21st century nation, but given the past record on these things I don't see any reason to believe it's anything other than Fake News attempting to start a war, or a bargaining ploy by the Koreans to try to get a better deal.
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Old 4th Jul 2018, 11:21
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MG, what do you see that suggests North Korea might prosper with Kim in power, "as dictator of a third-world commiestan"? (It's not even up to the level of "third-world," is it?)

Kim, unlike Trump, knows exactly what he is doing: a bit of jaw-jaw, a pause in the nuclear, delivery of something or other nice for Kim to have, back to doing the nuclear and a bit of terrorism, assassinations, forgery, and black-marketing on the side, reversion to more jaw-jaw, and so on .... In this way the Kims, grandfather, father, and son, have kept themselves in power for 70 years now, through thick and thin. There's no room in any of that for a turn to any sort of power being given to the populace, aside from allowing them to vote, over 98%, for this or that Kim.

Trump looks at this little monster Kim with genuine envy for the way that when Kim says "Sh*t!" 25 million vinalon breeks land around 50 million scrawny ankles. Trump said as much in that impromptu interview outside the White House ... just another one of his supposed "jokes" that was anything but in reality ....
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Old 4th Jul 2018, 17:53
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Wow....what a close shave. Were it not for Mr. Trump, the U.S. would be, at this very minute, at war with North Korea. Now before some pedant enters the fray to say that technically hostilities are still ongoing on the Korean Peninsula, I believe Mr. Trump implies an actual kinetic/shooting war.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/03/us/politics/fact-check-donald-trump-fox-tweetstorm.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource= story-heading&module=first-column-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news

Just my very humble opinion, but pushing this "deep state" narrative seems to be playing with fire. I am not convinced that any modern democracy is constructed and arranged to handle such a despotic and totalitarian challenge. In other words, the despot or tyrant throughout history has always picked up the cudgel of their being a dark state behind the curtain line--all too often it has worked to destroy public confidence. Without a deep well of public confidence how can any advanced democratic society properly function?

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Old 4th Jul 2018, 19:36
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Well a munth or too ago, Fred, youse guys was claiming Trump had us at the brink of war, and were planning yur next fallout shelter. So witch is it? -- is he a warmonger or a blabberer?

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Old 5th Jul 2018, 14:41
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That's easy....he is a blabbering warmonger.
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Old 5th Jul 2018, 18:59
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Definitely warmonger
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Old 5th Jul 2018, 19:05
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List the wars started by Trump.
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Old 5th Jul 2018, 21:09
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Definitely warmonger
Did he invade? I get you operate in a post fact zone, but try not to drama too much.
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Old 6th Jul 2018, 00:50
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Cool

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Well a munth or too ago, Fred, youse guys was claiming Trump had us at the brink of war, and were planning yur next fallout shelter. So witch is it? -- is he a warmonger or a blabberer?
Are you not getting obstetrics confused with obstreperous?

I was merely noting that the Yanks, and perhaps all of us, must be on bended knee thanking their maker that they are not, at this very minute, undergoing kinetic operations against and with the North Koreans. I have to take Mr. Trump at his word here, that were it not for his intervention, the U.S. and NK would be in an active war.
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Old 7th Jul 2018, 19:09
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A key aim of Mr Pompeo during his visit was to firm up North Korea's commitment to disarmament.
But the North Korean statement, carried by the official KCNA news agency, said the US had gone against the spirit of the summit by putting unilateral pressure on the country to abandon its nuclear weapons.
"We had anticipated the US side would come with a constructive idea, thinking we would take something in return," the North Korean statement said, warning its "resolve for denuclearisation... may falter".
"The US is fatally mistaken if it went to the extent of regarding that [North Korea] would be compelled to accept, out of its patience, demands reflecting its gangster-like mindset," it added
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"We had anticipated the US side would come with a constructive idea, thinking we would take something in return."

I have not the slightest clue what that means, but the clouds seem to be rolling in, pretty much as expected.
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Old 7th Jul 2018, 21:39
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"We had anticipated the US side would come with a constructive idea, thinking we would take something in return."
I thought the original handshake deal was that they start de-nuclear moves and we would free up their trade to coincide with measurable progress

Thus Pomp/Pompus would present to the world the details to track this.

If this aint gonna happen soon then it's time to move some military assets around world wide
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Old 8th Jul 2018, 08:31
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Singapore Summit cost Sing. $12m.
They met and made an announcement. No real negotiations beforehand.
Now there are negotiations, going badly.
So, all backwards in order to give each of the big stars in their own minds, a big show.
No framework, no solid foundations to build on just a couple of guys pointing in the general direction of some hazy horizon.
There is a Texas saying - "All hat and no cattle."
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Old 8th Jul 2018, 15:18
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Sometimes it is not a bad idea to start with the hat, and bring the cattle in later.

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Old 8th Jul 2018, 16:51
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Originally Posted by meadowrun View Post
Singapore Summit cost Sing. $12m.
They met and made an announcement. No real negotiations beforehand.
Now there are negotiations, going badly.
So, all backwards in order to give each of the big stars in their own minds, a big show.
No framework, no solid foundations to build on just a couple of guys pointing in the general direction of some hazy horizon.
There is a Texas saying - "All hat and no cattle."
Most things start with an idea. Negotiations and framework follow. Negotiations don’t always go well, a deal can’t always be had. It doesn’t mean it wasn’t worthy to try. Traditional diplomatic processes got us here, an unconventional one shouldn’t be overlooked. It’s also one more box checked should de-nuking have to happen via another means.

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Old 9th Jul 2018, 00:42
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If Messrs. Trump and Pompeo (especially Pompeo in this case) are irked by the North Korean antics during the latest Sec of State visit I think they have a right to be. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...-pompeo-effort

That is not the behaviour of diplomacy but rather mid-scale annoyance (not knowing the scedule, the agenda, or even the principals). I think the Americans have the right to be miffed over this. Not satisfactory at all.

I could well understand if Trump and Pompeo take a harder line now. They tried something new and made great efforts at accomodating Kim. I understand he will not totally de-nuke now or perhaps ever, but he is squandering a golden opportunity that Trump teed up for him. Sad.
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If Messrs. Trump and Pompeo (especially Pompeo in this case) are irked by the North Korean antics during the latest Sec of State visit I think they have a right to be. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...-pompeo-effort

That is not the behaviour of diplomacy but rather mid-scale annoyance (not knowing the scedule, the agenda, or even the principals). I think the Americans have the right to be miffed over this. Not satisfactory at all.
I quite agree, somewhat like a tweet from Trump to liven up his followers.

I guess we should give it a pass and see what specific words Pompeo has to offer.
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