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Old 29th Aug 2014, 21:53
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These are NOT the current Rotherham case.

Rochdale sex trafficking gang - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Oxford sex gang - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Derby sex gang - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Telford sex gang - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Old 29th Aug 2014, 22:08
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Pretty damning reading.

I noticed in one of the cases that Child social workers who were working with the families said they were round
at the Police every week pleading for them to take action but none of them would.

It seems to be a consistent theme across these cases.

Maybe they need a special, central task for of combined Police to
target these crimes in areas so removing any possible inaction by
the local Police.

Like we have a Middle Eastern Crime Squad in Sydney that targets.
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Old 29th Aug 2014, 22:55
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I live part-time in the UK and have been watching this horrible saga going on and on for years.

The Rochdale situation was not that long ago. Not sure why this report that has uncovered the unspeakable actions of child sex traffickers in another place now is being treated with such surprise. It's like "Casablanca," "I'm shocked, shocked that gambling has been going on in his establishment!"

Those calling for the scalps of those in charge of police and other public responsibility when this abuse was going on in the latest incident, must have collective amnesia if they cannot recall how for many years now in the UK even HINTING that someone from a minority population might be up to something that was tangentially related to their ethnic background was the third rail for ANY public official or ANY police.

I've seen this first hand for decades now--how public officials were silenced and bullied into not speaking out over things they found happening in their jurisdictions, that just happened to have minority groups as perpetrators.

For Americans reading this, the analogy over the past 20 years or so in the UK would be: Consider what would happen in the U.S. if a public official stood up on a table in a city council meeting screaming the N-Word at those in the audience. Or a police officer called a suspect the N-word on tape in an interview room.

What would happen to them parallels what would have happened to any UK public official who tried to openly address crime perpetrated by certain groups within the UK. It would have been professional suicide in public.

Public officials and police have been cowed and bullied by this for decades now in the UK. I've seen it up close. Look at all the folks shouted down over the years who tried to talk about it?

I suspect any police officer, superintendent or social worker in this latest case who had dared to come forward would have been immediately disciplined or fired and sent into oblivion. Then ultimately nothing would have been done to later replacements, as the message would have been sent. Shut-UP.

It was this mass system of silence that created these opportunities for these heinous traffickers to succeed. Not individual occasions of police not acting in this specific case.

So calling for specific scalps will not help. This is an endemic, systemic problem of silence from all that has been enforced by bullying and fear of being labeled "racist" and losing jobs.
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Old 29th Aug 2014, 23:01
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If the UK police, and by extension--the UK populace, don't have the moral courage to stand up and call them Muslims instead using silly euphemism "Asians"; there's no hope. The US is included with the GWB silliness of calling their religion "peaceful".

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Old 29th Aug 2014, 23:46
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Bloody stupid remark - abuse is not solely the province of the Muslim faith - I don't think Mr Savile or Mr Glitter were muslim were they? - or those nice TV presenters Mr Hall or Mr Harris?

The problem is complacency and disregard, by the bodies and people charged with preventing this sort of thing. Parents have a role, but so too do the police not clearing high risk areas, not putting kids into police cars and taking them home, and social workers, and worse, care home staff, who in many cases are right up there as abusers themselves. Again, I have direct experience of a charity founder and boys home carer who was proved to have been an abuser too - scared us silly after he had been in contact with our youngest girls - but it was boys he was into - thank God!

Fear of the racist tar brush is one factor, downright police bigotry another; the kids weren't victims in their eyes, they were sluts and whores and had no value. My contact, kidnapped and half dressed was thrown out of a police car at the feet of her junkie ex husband because the police regarded her and him as not worth more paperwork.

No-one, addict or living on the fringes of the law deserves to be discarded like that - but that is how officialdom works in the inner city.

Some of these kids were in care, but many were living at home, a nightmare to their parents and completely out of control, but if a late teenager is determined to escape a house and live a wasted life how can you stop them? It didn't happen to me - our kids were more sensible - and if it had I think I would have been out there and dragged them home, but when one got married at 19 I had to bite the bullet - go with the flow or lose one completely. 15 years on she has proved her dad's reservations completely wrong - but I am lucky. Some of the parents have decribed how they were beaten back by the police from taking action?!? WTF?

Kids gone wild will only come to their senses when they are ready - in the case I am observing, after 20 wasted years, but when they do see the light - are we to obstruct them trying to turn their lives around, or help? I know where I stand.
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Old 30th Aug 2014, 10:03
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Perhaps it is still going on.
Tracey Haycox, director of 'children and young peoples services', at the charity, "Safe at Last" has stated that the organisation has recorded 110 missing children referrals in Rotherham over the past 3 months including 8 mentions of child sex exploitation.
And this is only one city !
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Old 30th Aug 2014, 10:09
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Originally Posted by galaxy flyer View Post
If the UK police, and by extension--the UK populace, don't have the moral courage to stand up and call them Muslims instead using silly euphemism "Asians"; there's no hope.
A bit unfair IMO.

To tar all muslims as abusers is wrong. I think the problem is cultural rather than religious; the abusers in this (and other similar cases) are almost without exception from a very specific immigrant community.

I think the problem is that this particular community are culturally insular and conservative. Their ranks have been swelled by widespread immigration from small towns and villages in the sub continent where the only authority is the head of the family or the 'elders'; people for whom our culture is alien and morals decadent. Unsupervised relationships are frowned upon and marriages are arranged, if not forced. While I accept that the muslim faith may be conservative by nature, I think the behaviour of the Pakistani / Bangladeshi community in Rotherham has more to do with the culture they come from than their religion; I suspect the abusers aren't even particularly devout.
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Old 30th Aug 2014, 15:14
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In order to start getting to the real core of this problem we need to begin by accepting some facts.

Not all Muslims are involved in abuse but, in this case, all of the abusers were Muslim.

Of this subset of Muslims the majority of the abusers appear to be young Pakistani males.

A very large number of the English people in various positions of authority, from parents to the police were aware of what was going on but took no action under the fear of being called "racist".

There is, morally, very little difference between the abusers and the facilitators.

To this day there is not a level of outrage, from the authorities to the general population, commensurate with the level of the crime.

The authorities are showing little enthusiasm for punishing either of the guilty parties.

The British public is showing little interest in forcing the authorities to act. Where are the organised demonstrations that usually accompany these events?

It appears that finally, as expected, PC has collided with the law. The authorities have no plan and their simplest action is to hunker down and wait for the problem of the adverse publicity to go away. It is up to the general public to make sure this does not happen. If these crimes are not dealt with effectively this will be remembered as the occasion on which the historic British legal system, on which so many nations have based their systems, finally collapsed with a pathetic whimper instead of even a muted bang.


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Old 30th Aug 2014, 17:00
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Boing... excellent and pertinent comments
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Old 30th Aug 2014, 18:29
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Where are the organised demonstrations that usually accompany these events?
Against whom and where would the demonstrators demonstrate? The Pakistani male perpetrators, the police, the carers, the parents, the teachers or those who were paid huge salaries to protect the victims?
Or all of the above? They are all guilty to a degree.
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Old 30th Aug 2014, 19:49
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Where are the organised demonstrations that usually accompany these events?
A BBC reporter on TV and in the background not quite defocused enough could see what seemed like a large gathering of people with some English flags (sad to say that the national identity has become so diluted that I associated them with the BNP almost immediately).

So the BNP (or similar) are out protesting in Rotherham but being ignored.
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Old 30th Aug 2014, 22:17
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Flash .... the BNP were ignored for years while they, and others, were constantly telling the authorities about the grooming of young females in the North.
Those same authorities have successfully portrayed anyone waving an English flag or protesting against undiluted immigration etc. as "Racist".
They will now, as a previous poster has said, just hunker down and wait for the sheep to go back to sleep again.
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Old 31st Aug 2014, 13:22
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Many rivers begin as small trickles.
Who would have thought that rivers of blood, would begin as a trickle of blood down a rape victims leg ?
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Old 31st Aug 2014, 14:01
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Those same authorities have successfully portrayed anyone waving an English flag or protesting against undiluted immigration etc. as "Racist".
As mentioned in another post I could not agree more. What an absolute tragedy, and to think all of this has essentially occurred in the last fifteen years or so.
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Old 31st Aug 2014, 15:49
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It needs to be asked - how can a police force that is deeply mired in the Hillsborough scandal and now this, continue to function?

Q2: If the police commissioner cannot be 'fired' because he/she is elected by the people and has to be 'protected' from naughty councils and politicians, why can the 'people' not unelect him? Petition?
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Old 31st Aug 2014, 15:51
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Good article in the Yorkshire Post
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Old 31st Aug 2014, 16:06
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Good article but I think the last line might not be true.

"The only good thing to come out of the Rotherham scandal is that no one will believe these lies any more."

I think this will happen again because the PC crowd still rule and will still shout down those who try to expose it.
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Old 31st Aug 2014, 18:14
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I think you are totally correct.

For the pollys 'respecting' ethnic minorities (i.e. letting them do what they want)is the best way to get elected or re-elected.
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Old 31st Aug 2014, 18:27
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Quit calling them "UK Police"...they are facilitators and are just as guilty as the perps that are doing the crime...
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Old 31st Aug 2014, 18:54
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I see in that article that TWO fathers were arrested for trying to retrieve daughters.

I just find it hard that everyone turned a blind eye to what wasn't hidden,
in fact I would call it blatant, in full view (almost) and with the consent of children's homes ?

I mean, what Children's home lets a taxi pick up a child to take for sex ?

That's a bit like the Prison service letting prisoners out to rob banks and rape people.

I also find it troubling that one of the forum posters who is a Policeman, and probably a good one says that the culture of the forces has changed. Well, SYP covered up Hillsborough, and now this. Doesn't seem to have changed.
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