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Lessons will be learnt (Rotherham child abuse scandal)

Old 27th Aug 2014, 08:45
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Please tell me you won't be holding your breath waiting for that to happen, Andy S.
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Old 27th Aug 2014, 11:17
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All in front of the Camera this morning saying they were shocked at these revelations,I suspect it was common knowledge from them at the very top right down to the chap who empties the waste paper baskets,people gossip about juice like this at home and in the pub.
Presumably they must still have names of those doing the kiddy fiddling,the girls and boys fiddled with are still around, some anxious to tell their tale going by the telly,why dont they go out this very day and feel some collars?
If they can build a case agin a load of celebs dating back forty years surely they can manage to have some of these scumbags up in front of a Judge?
Perhaps with the media frenzy going on at the mo members of their own community wont be so keen on protecting them.
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Old 27th Aug 2014, 11:25
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If they can build a case agin a load of celebs dating back forty years surely they can manage to have some of these scumbags up in front of a Judge?
A very good point, I hadn't thought of that.

And all the victims and perps would still be alive.
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Old 27th Aug 2014, 11:27
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If they can build a case agin a load of celebs dating back forty years surely they can manage to have some of these scumbags up in front of a Judge?
The 'celebs' were British, white, and in the public eye.
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Old 27th Aug 2014, 11:32
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When it comes to some crimes, fine, but child abuse ?????

The disgust should cross culture lines as in from white to coloured,
I know it wouldn't the other way.
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Old 27th Aug 2014, 11:49
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Not one comment about such heinousness being reflective on the whole of Britain or British society. Which is it not.


Another lesson to be learned.


Along with capital punishment being deserved sometimes.
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Old 27th Aug 2014, 12:01
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The disgust should cross culture lines as in from white to coloured
The vitriol has ironically (but not surprisingly of course) focussed on the white people in the council. Their pain should hopefully follow.

But no-one has questioned what the abusers' families knew. I firmly believe they were fully aware of what their men were doing, and chose to go along with it. We also know in advance that nobody is going to go after them. They should.

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Old 27th Aug 2014, 12:09
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But no-one has questioned what the abusers' families knew.
In a male dominated culture they would, I'm sure, plead ignorance.

And what of the children's parents, guardians, carers?



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Not one comment about such heinousness being reflective on the whole of Britain or British society. Which is it not?
Good point, child abusers are not confined to one ethnic group.
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Old 27th Aug 2014, 12:25
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And what of the children's parents, guardians, carers?
Many of the children were 'in care' and thus at loose ends (sic) and went hanging around where these vultures pounced and offered them 'love' and attention which they lacked.

One parent who tried to get his daughter back from a house where she was being abused was threatened with arrest by the police and one 'raid' by the police on a house where a girl was being abused resulted in the arrest of the girl and not the abuser.

The girls (despite their immaturity) were classed as slappers by the police and treated as such.
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Old 27th Aug 2014, 13:27
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Tory MP Gerald Howarth says Enoch Powell 'was right' in notorious Rivers of Blood speech - UK Politics - UK - The Independent

Of course most right thinking (pun intended perhaps!) people knew this, but many were too lily-livered to say it in public. Had more taken heed of the words of Mr. Powell and other who opined similarly, the country might not be in its current mess.
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Old 27th Aug 2014, 14:00
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There are two connections here that we need to think about.

Firstly; am I right in thinking that the Police force which over a decade and more ignored the sex crimes being committed by gangs of Pakistani youths and men is the same force that decided to raid Cliff Richard's house on the say so of a single unreliable informant, and to do so with a posse of 8 thugs who needed 5 cars to get there?

Secondly; it occurs to me that the Pakistani youths and older men involved in the Rotherham crimes are exactly the same in many respects as those who become "jihadists", probably a concept that they actually understand little about, with the common feature that their lives and actions have the single purpose of getting as much sex as possible, and necessarily doing so at gunpoint or under some other duress. The mass capture and imprisonment of girls in Syria and Iraq by these people has that sole purpose.

It must be infinitely more exciting to rape - in the name of Allah - a terrified, half-dead 12-year old tied up in a room in Northern Iraq than to have a solitary Islamic w**k in front of a computer in a sordid bedroom in Rotherham.

Perhaps if the media, and genuine Muslims, would (correctly) stigmatise these so-called jihadists as the sex-obsessed scum they really are we may see fewer deciding to have a go. On the other hand, it may encourage a few more "Muslims" to get out there and join in the fun.
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Old 27th Aug 2014, 14:25
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Always said in this country minorities are allowed a far louder voice than their numbers merit, that particular ethnic and religious community loudest of all,they also have exaggerated or amplified political power in that they are large groups in particular areas who tend to vote for who the top god man tells em,a lot of Councilors and even MPs will tiptoe around them and treat them with caution.
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Old 27th Aug 2014, 15:23
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John,

I wasn't referring to any majority. I was referring to my belief that wives, mothers and sisters knew this was going on. Bollocks to the threat they were (probably always are) under to keep out of it or else. Now is the time to show them and their 'men', that they are complicit. Five years ought to have an effect.

I suspect that whatever we think of Rotherham Council, the VAST majority of their employees are completely untainted by this. Do we think the bin men knew?

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Old 27th Aug 2014, 15:36
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There were probably a few people up and down the ladder who would have liked to have spilled the beans, but whistle blowers are not treated well in this land of ours, despite all the bollix to the contrary, the black mark would have followed them for the rest of their lives along with the probability of powerful people going all out to destroy their credibility by any means to hand, and the chances of any kind of continuing life in their chosen career skittled.
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BBC News - Rotherham child abuse: Police commissioner will stay on
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Old 27th Aug 2014, 15:43
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I think the media have selected him for sacrifice,wonder how much the arsole will get for clearing his desk and what other top job is waiting for him.
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Old 27th Aug 2014, 15:43
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Quote from that article; "He needs to step down"!!!!!!

Oh FFS, his employer needs to sack him! Since when did an employee who has royally screwed up decide whether or not he leaves? Of course, there must be due process, mustn't there, just in case this person has the lack of dignity, moral bankruptcy, gall and thick skin needed to try and tough it out legally.
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Old 27th Aug 2014, 15:48
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Of course he'll stay on. Heaven forbid that he should have to take responsibility. No one has to do that any more, do they? In fact one of the most sickening things to arise from this whole sordid affair is the absolute refusal (with the exception of the Council Leader) of anyone in a position of authority in Rotherham to consider their position. For 16 years, this town was a paedophile rape camp, and all we've got from those who were in a position to do something about it are some vague regrets, apologies, and promises to 'learn lessons'.

Perhaps lesson No.1 should be - if you fail in your professional duty, then you either step down, with no sweetener, or you're sacked.
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Old 27th Aug 2014, 15:51
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his employer needs to sack him
He is an elected representative, and, as such, doesn't have an 'employer'.

https://www.gov.uk/police-and-crime-commissioners

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If you think your PCC has broken the law, the panel will refer your case to the Independent Police Complaints Commission
He claims that he took responsibility for his 'failures' by resigning from his earlier position (which oversaw the care of children) and has now strengthened the ability of the authorities to counter the events which are the subject of the report.

He might have a point . . .
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Old 27th Aug 2014, 16:36
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Hmmm....Does he/she not have a contract? With whom? If not, WHY NOT?

Who pays him and is responsible for his PAYE/NIC payments?

That usually defines an employer, and some-one must do that. After all, most of the low-grade candidates who got the PCC jobs are in it for the money, are they not?

If he/she is claiming to be self-employed, and working through a service company, then the arrangement is probably illegal, unless he/she has other clients, works from home, supplies his/her own equipment, car etc etc. However, at least some of our PCCs are no strangers to illegal activities, I believe. Even in such a case, a proper contract MUST be in place with someone, with suitable termination clauses.
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