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Old 9th Mar 2020, 10:04
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Originally Posted by KelvinD View Post
Well, that was interesting, although not exactly informative. In fact, the 2nd link (barthsnotes) leads to some contradictory accounts. It seems to start out as an attack on the GMP detective Maggie Oliver but provides nothing of substance other than a link to a police whistleblowers forum which appears to condemn Wedger and Oliver for not doing things their way, rather than accusing them of making things up.
The video from the Hoaxted youtube account is worse than tedious; it doesn't say much of anything other than to expose the facts behind the criminal history of the female pimp, referred to as "Foxy".
A search for the Hoaxtead group shows lots of denunciations of this group, including this lady's blog:
https://www.hopegirlblog.com/2018/05...satanic-roots/

Yes, it is anything but clear. But would it be?

I think the detailed (and excruciatingly dull) account of Foxy is in itself worth a lot. Because it appears to show Wedger to be a liar or fantasist or both. If he is so loose and wild with matters which are a matter of historical record, what else is to be believed?

And has not the recent IICSA which encompassed politicians and pedophile sex rings pretty much debunked institutional conspiracy, finding isolated peadophilia amongst some members (Smith obviously), turning a blind eye (Steele obviously) and agencies not acting fully iaw the law (the Police). Bit like Saville and the BBC - clearly some people knew, others suspected, few if any, did the right thing. But ain‘t that the way in all walks of life? The 70s and 80s were more chauvinistic and deferential than today. An in some respects quietly awful. These days the grooming gangs are just another area where too many people looked away and failed the girls involved.
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Old 9th Mar 2020, 11:01
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I agree with what you say but how would one explain other accounts originating in different forces across the land.
I wish I could remember the name now but I recently read an autobiography by a long serving police officer who worked throughout South London and when he came across things that didn't seem right in Lambeth, things started happening to him such as finding he was posted to a unit that suddenly went out of existence, then reappeared under a different name and housed in disused office blocks etc.
And then there is the case of the Wiltshire Chief Constable who investigated and wrote the report on Ted Heath. Things became difficult for him and an issue involving damage to his police issued phone were raised. He had initially said the phone was damaged by being run over by a golf cart. He later apologised for this excuse to the commission investigating the incident, saying he had actually damaged it during a fit of pique when he whacked his golf bag with a club, following a particularly bad shot. The investigation had begun as a result of someone claiming he had damaged the phone deliberately in order to destroy information relating to the Ted Heath inquiry. As well as apologising for his lying about how the damage was incurred initially, which he said was to try to avoid embarrassment at his bad tempered outburst on the golf course, he had his labs retrieve all the data from the phone. The inquiry subsequently found he had nothing wrong, other than his poor judgement in making up a story to cover his embarrassment and should perhaps face sanctions for that part of his conduct. Meanwhile, he had applied and been accepted for a new position with the Teesside force. Suddenly, he was sacked by them for reasons that are not entirely clear.
The whole issue is murky in the extreme and I wonder if we will ever learn the truth?
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Old 9th Mar 2020, 19:04
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And then there is the case of the Wiltshire Chief Constable
And then there was Stalker.... a fine man much maligned by those who were not happy with his findings... a textbook case in slurring.
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Old 9th Mar 2020, 19:32
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Originally Posted by flash8 View Post
And then there was Stalker.... a fine man much maligned by those who were not happy with his findings... a textbook case in slurring.
Yep. Bang on (also with respect to your comments Kelvin)

But that is the old copper culture - not an organisation that should be allowed to self-monitor. Not even another constabulary. Processes can‘t eliminate that inherent organizational loyalty.
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Old 20th May 2020, 07:18
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As a note, this whole thing came to light over 6 years ago and is still ongoing.

https://www.lbcnews.co.uk/crime/uk/b...exual-exploit/


Bradford: 27 men arrested in connection with online child sexual exploitation
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Old 14th May 2021, 10:48
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From West Yorkshire Police, Calderdale

29 Men Charged in Connection with Child Sexual Exploitation in Calderdale

Wednesday 12 May, 2021

29 men have been charged in connection with child sexual exploitation in Calderdale.

The vast majority of offending occurred in Calderdale, but some offences occurred in the Bradford District.

The men have been charged with a variety of sexual offences following an investigation into non-recent child sexual exploitation.

The allegations against the defendants are from 2003 to 2010 against one female victim, who was aged between 13-and 20-years-old at the time of the alleged offences.

The men will appear at Bradford Magistrates Court on 7 and 9 July.

Eight suspects who were arrested over the course of the investigation have been released without charge.

Those charged are:
  • Asad Ali, 37, of Brighouse, is charged with two counts of rape.
  • Ajmal Aziz, 39 of Halifax, is charged with three counts of rape and attempted rape.
  • Mohammed Jangier, 44, of Halifax, is charged with rape.
  • Mohammed Asif, 36, of Halifax, is charged with two counts of rape.
  • Harris Ahmed Butt, 37, of Halifax, is charged with two counts of rape and two counts of indecent assault.
  • Taukeer Butt, 36, of Halifax, is charged with three counts of rape.
  • Muitasim Khan, 40, of Halifax, is charged with rape.
  • Mohammed Hamza, 47, of Halifax, is charged with rape.
  • Mohsin Mir, 40, of Halifax, is charged with three counts of rape.
  • Javid Mir, 38, of Halifax, is charged with rape.
  • Haroon Saddique, 37, of Bradford, is charged with two counts of rape.
  • Zahir Iqbal, 41, of Halifax, is charged with two counts of rape.
  • Sarfraz Rabnawaz, 35, of Bradford, is charged with two counts of rape.
  • Wajid Addalat, 43, of Halifax, is charged with rape.
  • Sajid Addalat, 45, of Halifax, is charged with two counts of rape.
  • Nazim Hussain, 43, of Bradford, is charged with conspiracy to rape.
  • Nadeem Saddiqque, 43, of Sheffield, is charged with rape.
  • Saquab Hussain, 43, of Halifax, is charged with two counts of rape.
  • Sadakat Ali, 48, of Bradford, is charged with rape.
  • Ziarab Mohammed, 48, of Halifax, is charged with two counts of rape.
  • Imran Raja Yasin, 41, of Halifax, is charged with two counts of rape.
  • Zulfiqar Ali, 40, of Bradford, is charged with two counts of rape.
  • Malik Abid Qadeer, 64, of Halifax, is charged with five counts of rape.
  • Kamran Amin, 45, of Halifax, is charged with two counts of rape.
  • Mohammed Akhtar, 51, of Halifax, is charged with two counts of rape.
  • Ali Zulfiqar, 38, of Halifax, is charged with two counts of rape.
  • Shafiq Ali Rafiq, 40, of Dewsbury, is charged with two counts of rape.
  • Amir Shaban, 45, of Halifax, is charged with rape.
  • Sakeb Nazir, 36, of Halifax, is charged with two counts of rape.
Do young white girls lives matter as well? Another Labour controlled council.
These rapes happened to one 13 year old girl. 54 rapes!!

But of course let the Labour party get upset over some wallpaper!

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Old 14th May 2021, 17:57
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It is just stomach-turning. when - in addition - one reads that the turds from Rotherham (?) who have served their sentences still haven't been deported, then it really makes you feel that British justice is impotent. Is it because this is what he judges want ? On what basis can these pieces of excrement be allowed to stay here ? I am talking about those who can legally be deported i.e. Pakistani passport.

In respect of the above, does anyone know if any of those sentenced have been - or are being - pursued financially by their victims ? I am thinking of how Saville's estate ( or Epstein's although U.S. ) was taken to recompense those who were abused.
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Old 15th May 2021, 08:06
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The Rotherham case is an extreme example they were so brazen and felt omnipotent and as you see nearly 20 yrs later they still have no been brought to justice, so it is very difficult to get a prosecution. They are just the tip of the iceberg sexual exploitation happens in every country and I guarantee it is happening in your city wherever you are, young people out on the street are targeted by gangs, offered fun at first. That turns to presents, drink and then drugs, once they are on drugs they have got them dependant, and can do what they want.
The police do what they can, under 16s on the street they take back home, only to do the same next day or next week, when you have young girls and boys living this lifestyle with parents that have lost control or maybe they are from a children’s home it makes no difference, The cops even the honest ones know what is going on, until the young person complains there is nothing they can do, faced with the prospect that only 3% of rape complaints result in a prosecution is very depressing.

How many of the Rotherham men get convicted we will see, it does not appear to be an organized violent gang so at least there is not a risk of witnesses or victims disappearing, if it has taken this long to get to court you can be sure the evidence is not straightforward.
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