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The Curse of [London]City Cycling habits.

Old 14th Aug 2014, 10:14
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The Curse of [London]City Cycling habits.

First time in ages this Surrey Hills resident got caught in the afternoon London City exodus.

God what a bunch of no brainers the hordes of uninsured/no road tax/arrogant/breakers of the

law pedal pushers are!!!

Leaving the City last rush hour [13th August], in my Lexus RX hybrid I saw so many traffic

offences being openly committed by a large faction of the cycling hordes that I am still fuming.

They carry no registration so escape any penalties they deserve.

They should pay Road Tax, obey the traffic laws, wear idents in the shape of a soft collar with

traffic camera legibility and give us Road Tax payers room to drive safely without needing to

concentrate on wobbling, instant direction changing, with no signalling that seems to be the

norm in the pedal pushing fraternity.

Rant over......

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Old 14th Aug 2014, 10:18
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us Road Tax payers
In fairness, MrsP's Merc carries nil tax, so not all car drivers are road tax (VED) payers. Bloody Audi costs me a few quid, though.

Agreed about many cyclists, though.
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Old 14th Aug 2014, 10:46
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aviate1138,

Agree, they need some accountability, traceability, and most importantly, insurance should be made mandatory for them.

In recent times I've witnessed an increasing number of cyclists talking on their phone whilst cycling at the same time in high-traffic areas.... and no, I'm not talking about them using a hands free kit... I mean holding one hand to their ear whilst wobbling around and being unaware of their surroundings.
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Old 14th Aug 2014, 10:50
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... in my Lexus RX hybrid ...
Oh, you're one of those.
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Old 14th Aug 2014, 11:33
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Oh, you're one of those.
At least he's not driving a Prius
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Another one of those threads.
Could you not just start one called: "I drive a Lexus RX hybrid". It would have saved many key strokes.
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There are two ways in which "cyclists pay the same road tax as anyone else" is true:


(1) Tax is based on emissions. The correct tax for a zero emission vehicle such as a bicycle is 0p, just as it would be 0p for a car with zero emission. Cyclists pay the correct tax.


(2) Most cyclists have a car as well, on which they pay road tax even when they're cycling, having left the car at home so as to take up less road space and thus get in your way less.


But some of them should obey a few more of the rules.
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Most cyclists have a car as well
A common claim by the lycra-clad, but one for which I have never seen a piece of authoritative analysis.
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Smile What type of car?

Why tell us what your driving?Status symbol?!
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A common claim by the lycra-clad, but one for which I have never seen a piece of authoritative analysis.
No analysis, just facts. I have two cars, and 4 bikes.
More facts. And I do not pay road tax in UK on either.
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Another one of these threads I would say (anecdotally of course) that aside from the ever growing mass of younger people who have started riding bikes due to financial reasons and that it has become socially trendy again, most of the cyclists one sees on a daily basis own a car.

The 2 reasons above mean that ever more people will be taking up cycling, many who haven't touched a bike since childhood and aren't fully aware of how to be seen, be safe, be considerate, etc. The planning for cyclists and motorbikes/cars/vans/trucks/buses hasn't caught up to the reality in terms of funnelling the massive numbers of all kinds of road users compared with Holland/Denmark/Germany for example. This will take time.

There should be mandatory 3rd party insurance for all bike riders and a way to at least track/trace a bike to a residence, although that is getting a bit 'big brother' in it's scope. I DO think that a concerted education programme should be started with posters/radio ads/TV ads/magazines/newspapers explaining best practice for all users of the roads, including Lexus RX hybrid drivers


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The Curse of [London]City Cycling habits.

Ah, the "I am uninformed about the true nature of road tax ergo I must have a right to the public highway" streak.

As said before, zero emissions equals zero tax. Go research that piece of government funding before whining about your false claim to it entitling you to use the road. That's not what it's there for.

You can still end up with points on your license for highway offences if in command of a bicycle and you reveal that you have a driving licence. Perhaps more police out of their offices and on the beat might help??
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Old 14th Aug 2014, 13:01
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Having just been driving around the Sarf on a bit of a holiday, I compared cyclists behaviours in other towns with those of cyclists in London.

By and large, London cyclists ignore the laws far more often than cyclists in smaller towns such as Brighton, Eastbourne and Hastings.
None of those towns had "perfect" cycling behaviour, but none were as murderously dangerous as the half-wits who make up over 50% of London cyclists.

I am very sorry that some die. Maybe some innocent ones die.
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Old 14th Aug 2014, 13:05
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Per, I cycled for years before I bought my first car. I know quite a few people who cycle and don't own a car. Anecdotal evidence, whether yours or mine, brings nothing to the claim that "most cyclists own a car". Even if that were true, it does not excuse poor behaviour by cyclists OR drivers. On the journey in to work this morning, I saw one car driver with a phone at his ear, and two cyclists riding abreast with phones at their ears.
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I happened to walk up the road yesterday, in our Surrey village where we have a major problem of cyclists using the pedestrian area of the pavement - despite having clearly demarcated lanes for cyclists for at least part of the length of most of the roads. I don't mind when it's children or elderly people (dammit I might be one of those in a few years!) but when it's young hefty men blasting along in their lurid plastic clothes and with a phone or a headset over their ears, I get very peed off.

I saw a PCSO (whatever they call them, community policing officers) and I asked her why she'd just let two hefty adult men cycle straight past her on the pedestrian area. Her reply was :
"It's one of the biggest problems we deal with on a daily basis".
So I said : "But you're not dealing with it. Dealing with it starts with direct contact with people who break the law."
"We can't be everywhere ............"

This why people hate cyclists.
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Old 14th Aug 2014, 13:19
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I own one car (tragically not a Lexus RS hybrid ), one bike and three pairs of trainers.

This morning I cycled into work without incident (neither me nor the drivers doing anything naughty). I happen to believe that when cycling, I've never done anything that would endanger me or others. That's not true when driving - I've failed to see cyclists (though partly I blame that on lack of hi-viz - if I can look a completely numpty in my Ikea yellow vest, don't see why others shouldn't).

Tonight I will be returning home in a taxi, having (hopefully) consumed a pleasing amount of steak and good red wine and hopefully endangering no-one (except possibly the taxi-driver with the inanity of my post-prandial conversation).

The point of all this? There are idiot drivers, idiot cyclists, sensible drivers, sensible cyclists (sometimes combined in the same person). Why does this (constantly repeated) discussion have to become so polarized?
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Old 14th Aug 2014, 13:23
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There should be mandatory 3rd party insurance for all bike riders and a way to at least track/trace a bike to a residence
Proportionality. Cyclists kill about one person per year in the UK, drivers kill about ten per day.
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Old 14th Aug 2014, 13:33
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Insurance MIGHT make the cyclists think more about their mortality, especially if they have a clause in there that would deny cover if they were not riding Iaw the Highway Code.

Is lights, hi viz and reflectors too much to ask....?
I will leave helmet choice to you if you are over sixteen.

FYI, check out a think called Hovding.
Google it.

As to the Berks who think they are Bradley wiggins or whoever........

It's your pb more important to you than being flattened by a 44 tonne lorry who had right of way yet you elected not to stop at the junction and only his ABS saved your pathetic excuse of a life?

Saw that yesterday in North Devon. I am sure the driver needed new pants and a sanity check after stopping so damn quickly.
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Old 14th Aug 2014, 14:00
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This thread seems to be tippy toe-ing around the central theme, so shall we cut to the chase..?


All cyclists are Lycra clad, supremely arrogant, perverts, paedos, gay, a menace to society, flauters of the law and an all round blot on humanity and they should be run off the road.


We car drivers are fine, upstanding, hetero, pillars of the community who are perfect in every way.


There.. That's that sorted.
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Old 14th Aug 2014, 14:22
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Originally Posted by Gertrude the Wombat View Post
Proportionality. Cyclists kill about one person per year in the UK, drivers kill about ten per day.
So what does that cyclist do when the surviving relatives sue them for a few hundred grand?

Per passenger-mile, the death rates worked out about the same the last time I saw a comparison.
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