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Old 28th Jul 2014, 22:34
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There more Jewish acts of terrorism within the United States than Islamic (7% vs 6%) from 1980 to 2005. All Terrorists are Muslims...Except the 94% that Aren't | loonwatch.com which takes the data from the FBI's own list: FBI ? Terrorism 2002/2005

Again, though, you're avoiding the point: 10% is a very, very silly number, several orders of magnitude to high.
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Old 28th Jul 2014, 22:46
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PTT - the 10% is not my number. Research in the UK puts the number at 1% of Muslims,although around 10% of muslims polled say that suicide bombing is justifiable, and would therefore presumably keep quiet about it if they knew of a suicide plot. And 33% want the UK to become a Sharia state.

Some links to surveys here.
What do British Muslims think of the UK? ? Life through the eyes of a Conservative Student - My Telegraph
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Old 28th Jul 2014, 23:01
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All Terrorists are Muslims...Except the 94% that Aren't | loonwatch.com
Okay, we'll take the six percent (6%) number, that means that there nine point six (9.6) million (9,600,000) Muslims terroritsts out there in the world.

Feel safer now.

Oh, and thanks for taking the bait.
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Old 28th Jul 2014, 23:32
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Fox3WheresMyBanana - yeah, I've seen the surveys. The numbers are implausible, which puts the survey at question. Even 1% would suggest at least 375 terror acts per year in the US alone, which is clearly far higher than what we see.

con-pilot - I think you read that wrong. It's "All Terrorists are Muslims...Except the 94% that Aren't" not "All Muslims are Terrorists...Except the 94% that Aren't". Again, your 9.6 million number is utter nonsense for reasons already stated. No bait, methinks: just a reading comprehension failure
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Old 28th Jul 2014, 23:48
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All societies can be modeled on some convolution of the normal distribution in regards to some metric. Hence a disparity between a distribution representing a group which a large population versus a small population is always going to be skewed.

An interesting comparison comes in the form of relative numbers. Then you have the definition of terrorism, and the old one mans terrorism is another mans freedom fighter. Then you can model all the reasons that people have opposing views, one they are on the "other side", they are cowards so in denial, naive or just believe.

The simple fact is society has used social pressure to keep values in check or force change. We have made things to complicated in the west, in the old days it was simple, their the bad guys where the good guys and you need to beat them.

Another reason things just go around and around in a never ending conflict. The simple fact is the present world has a couple of major concerns with regards to current circumstances and various prognostics in the future.

1) America, is it going to collapse, and who will take its place.
2) Islamic extremisim.

One part of me almost hopes Russia or China takes control, there would be serious smiting of some of the annoying little things going on and then we would move on. I'm fairly sure the likes of Human rights watch etc. wouldn't like it very much though.
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Old 28th Jul 2014, 23:57
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PTT - it's not survey, it's surveys. Quite a few of them, by otherwise well-respected polling agencies. The findings in the Birmingham schools Trojan Horse report (Video: Trojan Horse: clear evidence of Islamist plot in some Birmingham schools - Telegraph), and my own experiences would fully support these survey figures. What are your reasons for questioning them?

The fact that the terrorism act count in the West is so low, relative to terrorist numbers would seem to be for three reasons.
1) incompetence by the terrorists - If you haven't yet seen the movie 'Four Lions',I highly recommend it!
2) terrorists going abroad to commit terror. From a western perspective, I hope the Sunni/Shia brawl in Iraq/Syria goes on for a thousand years. Indeed, it already has for 1,500.
3) Our security services are not quite as rubbish as some would have us believe.
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Old 29th Jul 2014, 00:29
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con-pilot - I think you read that wrong. It's "All Terrorists are Muslims...Except the 94% that Aren't" not "All Muslims are Terrorists...Except the 94% that Aren't". Again, your 9.6 million number is utter nonsense for reasons already stated. No bait, methinks: just a reading comprehension failure
Read post #523 and say that again with a straight face.
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Old 29th Jul 2014, 00:35
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The numbers are implausible, which puts the survey at question.


Reference your surveys and numbers PTT? Never a truer word spoken, what you should be counting are the numbers killed with each terrorist act, for instance, just taking one example, on 11 Sep 2001 over 3000 people were murdered by, if you like, four terrorist acts but more properly classified as one terrorist act.
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Old 29th Jul 2014, 00:41
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I'm afraid Con-pilot gets confused with figures. His claim that only 10% of rockets fired from Gaza get through, even if true, apparently would have translated to thousands of Israeli deaths if 100% of rockets had landed in Israel. Surely his maths teacher would have taught him to multiply by 10 the number of Israeli deaths. Back to basics I think....
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Old 29th Jul 2014, 00:43
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A question about Gaza - not an entrenched view

So - although a gentile - I've been to Tel Aviv and Jerusalem - eaten Kosher.
I've studied the IDF over the years, and admired the IAF's prowess.
Marvelled at how they managed to develop their own nuclear program - read all about the Mossad.
Stu the Jewish printer, and Felix the Jewsih Commercial Real Estate salesman are good mates.
And there's one thing I'm struggling to figure out.
The IDF can take out a reactor in Iraq.
They can rescue hostages from Entebbe.
They can take out a soon-to-be reactor in Syria.
They have the Sufa, the Merkava.
Yet with all that firepower and technology, they cannot stop large rockets being brought in to a relatively small and completely contained geographical area. And they cannot stop less sophisticated ones being manufactured locally.
They also can't stop tunnels being dug - large elaborate tunnels - when there are in ground sensors in use today that can pick up the sound of a gnat farting from a mile away.
To combat this - they have to resort to razing the earth inside Gaza.
I must be terribly naive - because it is just about the rockets and Hamas, isn't it.
May be some of you who are wiser than me can enlighten me?
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Old 29th Jul 2014, 00:44
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Then you can be thankful that the rockets didn't get through because
if they did, Gaza and or Hamas would be under a very big cloud of dust
from all the ordnance landing on it and as the tanks rolled through.
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Old 29th Jul 2014, 00:52
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I'm not the one making silly claims. Perhaps you need to have a word with one of your own
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Old 29th Jul 2014, 00:54
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They also can't stop tunnels being dug - large elaborate tunnels - when there are in ground sensors in use today that can pick up the sound of a gnat farting from a mile away.

Just one point Tartare, they do/did know of the tunnels and pre-empted an Hamas attack on a Jewish festival day that planned to use the tunnels to infiltrate, kill and capture as many as they could and then escape, back through the tunnels to Gaza.
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Old 29th Jul 2014, 00:56
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Hamas is too busy killing Palestinian Women, children and UN workers
to worry about Israel at the moment
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Old 29th Jul 2014, 00:57
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If you find a tunnel being dug, you let them dig it, up to a point. That way they waste a whole load of energy - and probably kill a few of themselves in the process - on digging something that gets destroyed near completion.

So they have to start again.
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Old 29th Jul 2014, 00:58
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Technological superiority does not always guarantee success.

Think of Vietnam and a very motivated adversary with lots of people and time on their hands.They dug a lot of tunnels too.
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Old 29th Jul 2014, 01:01
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I'm afraid Con-pilot gets confused with figures. His claim that only 10% of rockets fired from Gaza get through, even if true, apparently would have translated to thousands of Israeli deaths if 100% of rockets had landed in Israel. Surely his maths teacher would have taught him to multiply by 10 the number of Israeli deaths. Back to basics I think....
No facts, figures or numbers will change your anti-Semitism views and beliefs.

Besides that, I am not the one that came up with the 90% success rate by the Iron Dome systems, it was multiple news sources.

So Iím not even going to bother, as you keep trying to make this personal. I also suggest that you read post #523, those are real facts about the Religion of Peace. You want to defend that, be my guest.
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Old 29th Jul 2014, 01:06
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Why all this embarrassing beating around the bush? Just get to the logical conclusion and call it a day:

All Muslims on planet earth are terrorists who won't rest until we are all dead. To protect ourselves we have to eradicate all Muslims.

Enough with these lame excuses, statistics and "he did they said" because it's getting boring.

No western power has done anything historically to cause any animosity. Muslims simply are violent. Therefore we are good and just, they are evil. Our struggle is righteous and theirs is not. The ends always justify the means and collateral damage is always expected and acceptable. No matter what else happens our way of life here in country X is and will always be more important than any other on earth, and the people living within the geographic boundaries of country X will always matter more than any other people.

Anyone who has a different form of opinion is a traitor and will be neutralized. You will approve of and adopt our set of values of you will be dealt with. Fear everything and everyone. The enemy could be your neighbor or your wife.
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Old 29th Jul 2014, 01:13
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Anyone who has a different form of opinion is a traitor and will be neutralized. You will approve of and adopt our set of values of you will be dealt with. Fear everything and everyone. The enemy could be your neighbor or your wife.

As amply demonstrated in Russia, North Korea and Nazi occupied Europe.
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Old 29th Jul 2014, 01:14
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No facts, figures or numbers will change your anti-Semitism views and beliefs.
If that's your belief, I pity you. I won't bother substituting the words Palestinian for Semitism and re-quoting because it is pointless.

It's not personal Con-pilot, don't flatter yourself. You clearly don't know your 10 times table. It seems I'm not the only one who doesn't understand your mathematics. Goodnight
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