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Old 8th Mar 2017, 11:11
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Like I said earlier, the SNPs do lack a certain je ne sais pas quoi

SNP MP Mhairi Black 'tells Tory minister "you talk sh**e"' | Daily Mail Online
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Old 9th Mar 2017, 18:13
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For the first time I am honestly worried. If come late 2018, Brexit is at an impasse, the fish wife could....just....win. She would take 50% plus 1 vote. That's a sell up and head south position for us.
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Old 9th Mar 2017, 18:36
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Old 9th Mar 2017, 18:56
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Originally Posted by NorthernChappie View Post
For the first time I am honestly worried. If come late 2018, Brexit is at an impasse, the fish wife could....just....win. She would take 50% plus 1 vote. That's a sell up and head south position for us.
An acquaintance has been trying to sell his house in the Highlands for a couple of years now, he put it on the market a couple of months before the last referendum, not realising that "referendum doubt" had killed the market. He keeps dropping the price, and is now at the point where he'd lose money if he sold at a lower price, even though he's lived in the house for a decade or so.

The problem seems to be that a lot of larger properties used to be purchased by people South of the border, but with all the uncertainty that was created during, and in the wake of, the last referendum, that market has pretty much dried up. I don't think his situation is unique, either, as a couple of friends of ours from back when we lived in Scotland, moved South before the last referendum, at the time it was announced, and are glad they did, as they've now realised they'd have probably not been able to sell for the same price today.

Clearly these are areas where it could well be argued that house prices were artificially high, because of demand from people South of the border, but then the same has applied at the opposite end of the UK, Cornwall, for as long as I can remember, yet that area doesn't seem to be suffering from the same level of housing market stagnation. We looked at a few places down there recently, with a view to moving back, and decided in the end that it was just too expensive.
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Old 9th Mar 2017, 19:25
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I posted this a few pages back

In England a house purchaser is liable for the Stamp Duty Land Tax (SDLT), just over the border the same purchaser is liable for Land and Buildings Transaction Tax (LBTT), a medium sized detached house in Dumfries would attract about 15 to 20K extra tax on purchase than the same house in Carlisle.
The Scots are starting to be exposed to higher living costs, this before independence, we are seeing the beginning of a high tax economy in Scotland.

The dropping prices will eventually offset the increased taxes and it should level out, but the market will suffer due to the uncertainties ahead. It is unlikely that there will be much of a demand from south of the border.
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Old 9th Mar 2017, 19:51
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Certainly not from this England-domiciled Scot as I have already posted. I'm not going to pay LBTT at those rates.
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Old 9th Mar 2017, 20:57
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Old 9th Mar 2017, 21:08
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Fantastic news, YEXIT is on !!!

Half of Scots would back independence if a fresh referendum was held tomorrow, a poll for STV News has found.

The survey, conducted by Ipsos MORI, shows a rise in support for independence as the Prime Minister prepares to trigger Britain's exit from the European Union later this month.

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Old 9th Mar 2017, 21:16
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Fantastic news Part II, another thrashing for the unionist parties in the upcoming Local Elections

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Old 9th Mar 2017, 21:32
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Fantastic news, now fingers crossed it is factually correct as these things are usually a load of old tosh
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Old 9th Mar 2017, 22:02
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I have only just read the morning rags, due to a good day in the sun always take priority over mundane things like work and newsprint, but I have just read the bit about the Scottish Oil revenue and the forecast to come...

It makes Alex Salmond look a wee bit gormless in his previous estimates of Oil revenue being able to Bolster all the spending the SNP wanted..I think Scottish folk should seriously consider Ditching old moon eyes...
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Old 10th Mar 2017, 08:16
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45% to the SNP then? That's encouraging. 45% to 55% was the vote against independence. 45% is a lower % than the vote that cost the SNP their Holyrood majority last year. There is hope.
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Old 10th Mar 2017, 10:04
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d88 forgive my ignorance but what is YEXIT?
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Old 10th Mar 2017, 13:28
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Fantastic news

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Old 10th Mar 2017, 15:28
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Indyref2 to take place in August 2018, official.

So, the indyref2 date has been decided courtesy of that nice BBC lady, Laura Kuenssberg, as August 2018. That'll be a relief for the wee krankie lady. She's been rather reticent on decision making of late! Now she can put all her energy into rallying the cause rather than being distracted by the mundane job of running her country.
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Old 10th Mar 2017, 19:10
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Old 10th Mar 2017, 20:47
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It will be intereting to see and hear the SNP's reaction if the next referendum votes ' LEAVE ' but there are large majorities in, say, The Shetlands or the Border counties who vote to ' REMAIN '

I mean, will the SNP give a toss about any complaints from the Shetlands or the Borders about ' Breaking the union ' or ' The majority of us voted to stay in the UK but we're being dragged out of it by Scotexiters against our wishes '

Wonder if the SNP would then allow the Shetlands and the Borders a vote on whether to stay in an indpendent Scotland ?
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Old 10th Mar 2017, 20:59
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What about the Kingdom of Fife? Freedum for Fife!
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Old 11th Mar 2017, 06:28
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How are things going so far?

SNP MPs, MSPs, government and party officials have become embroiled in a variety of scandals which surpass even those of the Scottish Labour party. Here is just a selection:

Her Majesty’s Revenue and Customs (HMRC) launched a bankruptcy action against the SNP MP Tasmina Ahmed-Sheikh over debts related to her old law firm, Hamilton Burns WS, which provided sharia advice. If sequestrated, she would be barred from the House of Commons.

Audit Scotland in their 2015-16 report revealed that Scotland lost £14 million of EU funding 'because of errors'. They described the debacle as a "permanent loss of grant to the Scottish Government which it cannot now recover".

Transport minister Humza Yousaf was caught by the police, and convicted of, driving a friend’s car without insurance. He received a £300 fine and six penalty points.

SNP MPs made 8 of the top 10 travel expense claims, charging several times more than their predecessors. SNP MSPs have also exploited expenses. Seven SNP MPs employ family members at the expense of the taxpayer, despite the practice being banned in the Scottish Parliament and discredited after the MPs' expenses scandal.

Scottish ministers finally admitted 3 months after the event that a controversial £10 billion trade deal with China had collapsed. The deal, described as a "shambles" by the Chinese consortium involved, only lasted 5 months and had been personally sealed by Nicola Sturgeon.

Nicola Sturgeon charged taxpayers £4.9 million in 2016 to cover the cost of her 'strategic' communications activity. Her communications team at St Andrew's House in Edinburgh has swollen to 46 people, peddling what critics have labelled as "propaganda" pushing Sturgeon's bid to break up the UK. Also, Sturgeon refuses to publish the cost of her trips to EU member states to try and drum up support for Scotland staying within the bloc.

Nicola Sturgeon attempted a "power grab" on Holyrood committees that would have seen SNP MSPs being given jobs as aides to the same ministers they were supposed to hold to account. The plan had to be abandoned after a growing furore. The SNP exhibited astonishing hypocrisy over the matter: Fiona Hyslop (now Culture and External Affairs Secretary) said in 2002 that the SNP "objects to those aides joining committees. To do so undermines the committees' independence, which is so vital to Parliament."

With impunity, the SNP now offers business figures the chance to lobby its senior politicians in exchange for handing over thousands of pounds in sponsorship for the party's conference. Despite previously slamming Labour and the Conservatives for such 'cash for access' deals, the SNP can rake in around £200,000.

Three of the four members of the Scottish government's Child Abuse Inquiry panel (regarding children in care) resigned, including its original chairwoman, Susan O'Brien QC. In her resignation letter she said the SNP government had "sought to micro-manage and control the inquiry", and had "undermined" her and threatened to sack her when she resisted. Expert Professor Michael Lamb also slammed the government: "It has become increasingly clear … that the panel cannot act independently and that the Scottish government intends to continue interfering in ways large and small, directly and indirectly … Repeated threats to the inquiry's independence have undermined the panel's freedom and have doomed the inquiry before the first witness has been heard. The Scottish government has delayed or prevented the appointment of crucial members of staff for prolonged periods of time while its officials have questioned the decisions made by the supposedly independent inquiry." The enquiry will continure with just one panel member.

Two SNP MPs, Stewart Hosie and Angus MacNeil, each left their wife following affairs with the same journalist at Westminster. The journalist is said to have told friends that she saw the MPs as romantic revolutionaries, describing them as 'the Mujahideen of British politicians'. MacNeil has cheated before, being caught with two teenage girls in a hotel room in 2007 while his pregnant wife was in hospital.

The SNP government wrote to all directors of education and head teachers in Scotland, asking them to send pupils from each school to an "Ask the First Minister" event to be held just three days before the Scottish pre-election 'purdah' period. This was essentially a party political rally, advertised using public resources, to promote Nicola Sturgeon and the SNP to newly eligible 16-17 year-old voters.

Two of the 2015 intake of SNP MPs, Natalie McGarry and Michelle "17 houses" Thomson, had to resign from the SNP whip. After a police probe into reported discrepancies in money raised for the 'Women for Independence' group, McGarry was charged with several alleged offences, including embezzlement of funds, breach of trust and an offence under the Scottish Independence Referendum Act. Earlier in 2016, a legal action against McGarry was settled out of court and she had to 'apologise unreservdly' and pay £10,000 after falsely claiming a pro-Union campaigner was a 'Holocaust denier'. Thomson withdrew after police decided to investigate alleged irregularities in property deals made by a solicitor whose services were used by Thomson.

Nicola Sturgeon is on record saying that tax avoidance is "awful … despicable" and "obscene and immoral". However, her party later backed an SNP MP, Phil Boswell, who admitted substantially benefiting from a tax avoidance loophole in a previous job.
In August 2015 the SNP accepted £10,000 from an animal rights lobby group, just a month after its MPs blocked a vote on fox hunting which affected only England. The Political Animal Lobby and its sister organisation Network for Animals had been lobbying the SNP for months, asking "what can we do to help the SNP?". SNP MP Tasmina Ahmed-Sheikh had met with the group in June 2015.

The SNP government gave £150,000 of taxpayers' cash to the T-in-the-Park music festival after the event, despite its organisers DF Concerts making around £4.5m in profits each year and officials having doubts. It is not known how the money was spent, and the government said they would not publish any explanation. Jennifer Dempsie, a former aide to Alex Salmond, set up the crucial meeting between the Culture Minister Fiona Hyslop and the company. Dempsie is the girlfriend of Angus Robertson MP, the SNP leader at Westminster, and she was forced to abandon her intention to become an SNP list MSP in 2016.

The Scottish Islamic Foundation (SIF), was launched by Alex Salmond and included a future SNP minister Humza Yousaf among its directors. Its first chief executive, the Islamist Osama Saeed, was an advisor to Mr Salmond and an SNP candidate for a Westminster seat. Several of Saeed's relatives were on SIF's board. Freshly created and without a track record, SIF was paid £203,000 (from £406,000 granted) by the SNP government. £128,000 had to be repaid when SIF failed to realize its grand 'IslamFest' project. Salmond was also involved in giving £16,160 of public financial support, in dubious circumstances, to launch the Scottish Asian Women's Association (SAWA), founded by Tasmina Ahmed-Sheikh. While she chaired SAWA, giving her valuable, but possibly charity rule-breaking, publicity, it donated a mere 2.8% of its income to good causes.

When deputy first minister in 2010, Nicola Sturgeon made significant errors of judgement which almost cost her political career, despite Alex Salmond's backing. She wrote to lobby a court to give a constituent, twice-convicted Muslim fraudster Abdul Rauf, a non-custodial sentence after he admitted an £80,000 benefits fraud. The earlier conviction for Rauf, a former sub-postmaster, was for stealing almost £60,000 in pension and benefit payments by forging signatures more than 700 times. Sturgeon referred to Rauf's crimes as "mistakes". There were strong suspicions that Sturgeon's intervention was a quid pro quo for crucial Muslim Pakistani support for her 2007 election win in Glasgow Govan.

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Old 11th Mar 2017, 07:33
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Filth, aren't they? When's the fall? It can't come soon enough.
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