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Old 2nd Jan 2015, 20:58
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One white caucasian male calls another white caucasian male a "useless jock". Shock, horror. Handbags at dawn. Racism it ain't. End of discussion.
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Old 5th Jan 2015, 18:29
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Old 5th Jan 2015, 21:48
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Reflections at Hogmanay

Last week, as one might around Hogmanay, I was reflecting upon 2014 and how we dodged a bullet, nothing less, last September. If the vote had gone Yes, the Scottish economy would already be in tatters!

Also, I thought about "auld acquaintances". What happened to all those names we came to know so well during the run-up to 18th September? Most of whom seem to have now vanished. Rab-k, Piesupper, Atomkraft, d88, Avionker, Renfrew, Lon more, 22 degree halo, et al. Doubtless not all trolls, blindly obeying the party dictat to swamp social media with an SNP presence and its propaganda? Plus, and more recently, even TomJoad, GCE and Perthsaint?

Looking to 2015, there seems little doubt the SNP will acquit themselves well at the GE in May, despite the probability of more tactical voting here than in the rest of the UK. Nevertheless, I'd venture to suggest many of the referendum's first-time voters won't be bothered to repeat the process at the GE. The SNP threw everything but the kitchen sink into their September campaign, yet it was still the No supporters that prevailed - in the vote that mattered the most.

If, and as expected by the pundits, the SNP does achieve a majority of MP's in Scotland, although being obliged to pay "lip service" to independence, Sturgeon's hands will be pragmatically restricted to the politics of Scotland within the UK. Westminster would reject any suggestion of a "neverendum" and in turn, Sturgeon would reject the possibility of Scotland becoming an international pariah by declaring UDI - even with the SNP's oil-based economy!
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Old 5th Jan 2015, 23:51
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Predictions again, remind us how that worked last Sep
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Old 6th Jan 2015, 01:59
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In response to my opinion that an iScotland's economy would be decimated, you said
Really? Why would that be?
I don't really want to re-run the whole referendum campaign here, but:

What currency? There was never a sensible answer, and no known Plan B.
What lender of last resort? Never a sensible answer.
What banks? All head offices having relocated south of the border, in accord with EU law.
Business migration?
MoD contracts?

So many questions, so few answers ...

You say Scotland wouldn't anyway have been independent until 2016 at the earliest - doesn't that sound a bit like a company going bust on a Friday but the M.D. then opens a "new" limited company trading from the same address the following Monday?

Those points don't even touch on the worldwide collapse of oil prices. Obviously, these will eventually recover (sometime...), but if there's one thing business (nor governments) don't like, it's instability. For a fundamentally oil-based iScotland economy, and combined with Salmond's left-leanings, investors would already have been looking at alternative baskets for their eggs. That's why I think we'd now be looking at another Venezuela. For myself, I would've joined any queue outside our banks, trying to exchange my Scottish banknotes for BoE issue.

Granite, I've already said on this thread, in general I think the SNP don't actually perform badly on a local level (but obviously excluding those SNP juveniles who like to publicly set documents ablaze outside Paisley Council HQ!). However, Salmond was just out-manoeuvred and due to the lack of reasonable answers (and thus responsibility?) the SNP just lost credibility during the campaign. Eventually the Scottish electorate, perhaps some reluctantly, decided they weren't fit to run an independent nation.

You mention the so-called vow. I'm intrigued by Sturgeon's sudden concern, I've no doubt she and Salmond wouldn't have given a damn about No voters had the decision gone the other way. The truth is, she's now found a little pony upon which she hopes to ride all the way to Westminster. Personally I never cared about any vow, and doubtless similarly to other No voters, I just voted to keep Scotland in the UK.

Nevertheless, yours is a reasonable post and I accept you have a valid opinion. Regarding your final paragraph, so perhaps PR is the most democratic way forward?

(And I didn't even once refer to indy supporters as "aye-bags"!)


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Old 6th Jan 2015, 14:59
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Imagine how few of the promises made in the White Paper would have been met with this scenario.

Brent crude oil falls to new five-year low - BBC News

Bullet well and truly dodged

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Old 7th Jan 2015, 10:25
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SFFP, and it dipped further to under $50 this morning.
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Old 7th Jan 2015, 12:25
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BBC News - Ruth Davidson: Salmond as deputy PM 'scary'


So if Salmond gets a seat in Westminster and does a deal with Labour, he could be deputy PM???? Is such a scenario feasible?
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Old 8th Jan 2015, 09:46
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Scotland's positive future in the Union Hamsterwheel

The Hamster in the 'Scottish Independence' Hamsterwheel died several months ago. That 'wheel' has been turning very noisily by several contributors who have been turning it by hand in a way that has made its 'bearing' squeak noisily!

The resource that was going to fund that 'independence', oil, has plummeted in value to the point that any sane thoughts of 'independence' should have evaporated as fast as petrol vapours on a hot day!

However, there is a very positive future for Scotland in the United Kingdom. (The same as the past has been positive for Scotland in the United Kingdom.)

This is the opportunity for all those positive thinking people to contribute!
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Old 8th Jan 2015, 09:56
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Originally Posted by Trossie View Post
The Hamster in the 'Scottish Independence' Hamsterwheel died several months ago. That 'wheel' has been turning very noisily by several contributors who have been turning it by hand in a way that has made its 'bearing' squeak noisily!

The resource that was going to fund that 'independence', oil, has plummeted in value to the point that any sane thoughts of 'independence' should have evaporated as fast as petrol vapours on a hot day!

However, there is a very positive future for Scotland in the United Kingdom. (The same as the past has been positive for Scotland in the United Kingdom.)

This is the opportunity for all those positive thinking people to contribute!
Until the likes of Ms Sturgeon etc adopt your mindset Scotland's future will always be uncertain.
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Old 8th Jan 2015, 10:14
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The Indyref debate is over. Less than 38% of the electorate want(ed) the destruction of the UK. That may change in a generation or two, or in another lifetime, but for now we are financially and socially secure.

Most of us are greatly relieved not to be dependent on the price of 30 day Brent soaring above $110/bbl.

Let the Barnett billions keep on rolling in!
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Old 8th Jan 2015, 11:44
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Just suppose for a moment that the referendum result had been a "yes".
What would have been the response to "Let's have another vote, maybe the next one will be a NO"???
A rather rude "Get lost", I suggest.
So why is it so different the other way round?

It's a bit like the odds in the terrorists vs the security forces, the security forces have to be lucky every time, but the terrorists just have to be lucky once.
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Old 8th Jan 2015, 17:24
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The Indyref debate is over.
Quite clearly the Mods don't think so...

My attempt to breath new life into this topic and get contributions on thoughts to a positive future has been scuppered by the Mods moving my new and positive minded thread (called "Scotland's positive future in the Union Hamsterwheel") back to this dead-hamster, negative-minded thread. Now... why... would... that ... be... ... ... ??!

Sad...
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Old 8th Jan 2015, 18:36
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Be careful, the grown ups in here have been known to bite back


Edited to add that two posters on this subject in the last day or two have been banished to the naughty step for questioning the 'God's', so folk be warned

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Old 9th Jan 2015, 09:37
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Low Flier is correct, the Indyref debate is over. There are a tiny amount of stragglers who won't let go but for the most part, Scotland has moved on.

Looking to the future, the SNP should stop mucking about with the notion of independence, home rule or whatever the hell they want to dress it up as because the people have voted, end of.

Trossie, your idea of starting positive thread is to be commended. This current thread is littered with toxic remarks and has lost interest from most of its contributors, so a fresh thread made sense.
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Old 9th Jan 2015, 09:54
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I started that positive thread, then the Mods moved it into this one... Maybe the Mods are amongst that "... tiny amount of stragglers who won't let go ..."?

I just do not understand why an attempt at a more positive thread should have been moved into this dead hamster thread.

"It is not resting, it is deceased, gone to its maker..." (Not an accurate quote, but the theme is there.) This dead thread should be allowed to give way to a fresh start with a more positive one. Unless, of course, the Mods are... ... ...
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Old 9th Jan 2015, 10:51
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Ask mad_jock to delete his first post and then the whole thread will dissapear.
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Old 9th Jan 2015, 12:12
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I can understand you wanting a more positive thread Trossie, but let's face it the same arguments would inevitably have been made on it as on here. You would not be able to stop it. So the Mod action was only to be expected.

Now that you Scots have sensibly decided to remain within the UK, it would be even more positive to have any further discussions within the UK Hamsterwheel.

(Just my 2 groats' worth)
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Old 9th Jan 2015, 17:40
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Ask mad_jock to delete his first post and then the whole thread will dissapear.
From what I understand, he has been banned from this thread, so that suggestion is not possible...

Now that you Scots have sensibly decided to remain within the UK, it would be even more positive to have any further discussions within the UK Hamsterwheel.
As the Mods seem determined to keep this thread alive by banning its originator and moving more positive threads into it, that seems to be the best suggestion: ditch this dead thread and move to the appropriate one, i.e. UK Politics.

(The Mods do seem to have a bit of a fetish for this dead hamster...)
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Old 9th Jan 2015, 17:58
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Nope it's a reminder to you all that you collectively produced the most toxic, heavily edited thread in the history of JetBlast. Two moderators at the helm especially during August and September and it won't be repeated.

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