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Old 16th Dec 2014, 16:00
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The following article address's the problems that are now arising from the situation in Scotland.

England won't put up with Scotland's behaviour for long - Telegraph

Do the people and politicians of Scotland honestly think the rest of the United Kingdom is going to simply sit back while they carry on the way they’ve been carrying on before, during and after September’s referendum? Do they genuinely believe they can continue demanding a series of referendums on independence in perpetuity, until they get the result right, or get bored of asking the question? When Jim Murphy boasts “what happens in Scotland will be decided in Scotland” does he not wonder what conclusion his English colleagues and the people they represent will draw? Did Darling, Brown and Alexander honestly think they could unilaterally rewrite the UK constitution, and offer “Scottish Home Rule”, funded via the Barnett Formula, without any English reaction at all?
Scotland is a nation that has become drunk on constitutional arrogance and self-righteousness. “We might stay in the union. We might not stay in the union. We’ll let you know when we’re good and ready.” “Better off together? Forget that. You keep your noses out. What happens in Scotland will be decided in Scotland.” “What? You want English votes for English laws? Who the hell do you think you are? You can talk about that in due time. Now shut up, and keep writing the cheques, or we’re off.”
Well, Scotland can stay drunk if it wants. But England isn’t going to keep picking up the tab. These issues didn’t really matter much in England so long as they remained on the political back-burner. But the Scots keep insisting on pushing them onto the front burner. And in Ukip, England now has its very own SNP. English votes for English laws are the minimum that is required to head off a serious backlash.
I’m not sure what’s going on in Scotland at the moment, and I’m not sure I want to know. But I know this. Diana has gone. And someone up there has to start to get a grip.
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Old 16th Dec 2014, 16:06
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Pretty impressive piece of sweeping generalisation, there, om15. The writer in the Telegraph appears to have forgotten that "the Scots", i.e. the majority, had no interest in lunging towards Eck the Fish's putative Jocktopia, but would prefer to continue working within and contributing to the United Kingdom, of which we are all citizens.
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Old 16th Dec 2014, 16:30
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But, Magnus, this is what I experienced at my workplace form a couple of gnats, who just wouldn't and couldn't stop mouthing off about how the English (insert perceived slight, distorted history, it's our oil etc) to the point that I up sticks and worked from home to get away from them.

Somehow the Simply Nasty People have to be voted out of power at all the next few elections at local, Scotland and UK levels.

I'm faithfully still buying Innis & Gunn's products as a sign of my continuing support of the Union. It is a small personal sacrifice. Some evenings I force myself to consume more than "just the one then".
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Old 16th Dec 2014, 19:03
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This thread has been going for six months trom 16th June. Then I saw Nats waving banners that said that an Independent Scotland would be the seventh richest country, presumably by GDP, in the world.

That day oil was $112.85/barrel. It peaked three days later at $115. It is now bouncing below $60/barrel.

Scratch seven, try seventy.
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Old 16th Dec 2014, 19:16
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SNP spokesman Mr Peter Wishart has published the following observation;-


"English votes for English laws has always been David Cameron's real agenda - and Jim Murphy and the other Scottish Labour MPs at Westminster look extremely foolish for cuddling up to the Tories during the referendum. In their rush to work shoulder to shoulder with their No campaign allies, it seems that senior Labour figures such as Gordon Brown and Jim Murphy were hoodwinked into doing David Cameron’s bidding.
“It has been clear from the start that David Cameron and the Tories were seeking to gain party political advantage from English votes for English laws – now the cat is out of the bag that the Tory plan is just a fig-leaf for another barely disguised attack on Scotland
For goodness sake, Goebbels would be proud of such disingenuous interpretations of reality.
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Old 16th Dec 2014, 19:46
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I'm faithfully still buying Innis & Gunn's products as a sign of my continuing support of the Union. It is a small personal sacrifice. Some evenings I force myself to consume more than "just the one then".
I have a nice selection of their range in the cupboard and a Treacle Porter currently chilling outside for later. A truly outstanding way of supporting the union
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Old 16th Dec 2014, 21:57
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My suggestion of UDI was a feeble joke, .. for the moment.
Apologies for my misinterpretation OM15. For what it's worth, if this shambles persists in Holyrood, I have not taken the idea of relocation in a Southern direction off the table just yet. I have faith that (eventually) common sense will prevail.
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Old 16th Dec 2014, 22:09
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Not all Scots are after Independence it would seem


Record View: Scottish unity is only way forward - Record View - Daily Record
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Old 17th Dec 2014, 07:34
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Seldom. It's refreshing to see that kind of report and although I am not a fan of the Record or Labour, Jim Murphy worked tirelessly and in the face of some strong opposition in that area for maintaining the Union. He seems to realise why the gnats have succeeded and where other parties simply let them. A good point made about Salmonds excessive ranting starting to hurt the votes for Sturgeon too, one can hope...
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Old 17th Dec 2014, 22:06
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That's fifteen hours with out spitting venom. It that a record for this thread?
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Old 17th Dec 2014, 22:46
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That's fifteen hours with out spitting venom. It that a record for this thread?
In answer to your question, possibly yes! However, quietly happy with the fact Scottish unemployment has taken a dive:

BBC News - Scottish unemployment fall by 11,000

and likewise UK inflation's gone down:

BBC News - UK inflation rate at 12-year low of 1% as fuel costs fall

and, but more cautiously, "real, spending power" wages are on the upturn:

BBC News - Wage growth picks up as UK unemployment falls

All in all, good United Kingdom dividends! And hopefully, if maintained, all towards a happier electorate? Conversely, I'd prefer not to see the oil price fall much further, otherwise causing a major detrimental effect on Scottish employment, and also upon UK tax revenues.

Although I cannot help but wonder where we'd be now, had the vote gone Yes, less than just three months ago..... phew!
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Old 18th Dec 2014, 10:53
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What price Jocktopia?

BBC News - North Sea oil industry 'close to collapse'
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Old 18th Dec 2014, 11:20
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Silly Season

Close to Collapse Eh Magnus ???

Will you be laying any bets

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Old 18th Dec 2014, 11:40
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Minister in plea to save North Sea oil jobs - The Scotsman


Mr Ewing’s remarks came as Aberdeen-based Wood Group PSN revealed it is to cut rates paid to UK contract staff by up to 10 per cent in the latest setback caused by plunging oil prices. Global prices have now dipped below $60 a barrel – from about $110 in the summer.
Mr Ewing was told at Holyrood yesterday that about 1,000 jobs have been lost in the North-east in recent months as firms slash costs and “thousands more are on the line”. There are now growing fears of the long-term impact on Scotland’s economy if widespread lay-offs leave the industry unable to “take up where it left off” when the oil price recovers.
The concerns for Scotland’s oil industry, a key plank of the country’s economy, follow a stark warning earlier this month that as many as 35,000 industry jobs could go in the next five years. A study, commissioned by industry body Oil & Gas UK, industry skills and safety body Opito and the Department for Business, Innovation and Skills, said jobs could be cut from 375,000 to 340,000 by 2019.
Shell UK announced in August that it is to cut 250 onshore jobs from its North Sea operation in Aberdeen, while Chevron announced plans in June to cut 225 jobs in the city.
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Old 18th Dec 2014, 11:59
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El Grifo, Played my bet on September 18 and walked away a winner!
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Old 18th Dec 2014, 12:12
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SNP rejects inquiry into independence oil predictions - Telegraph

SNP ministers have rejected as “ridiculous” calls for an inquiry into them politicising official statistics as the oil price approached half the level the Scottish Government predicted before the independence referendum.
John Swinney, the Scottish Finance Minister, insisted that oil prices will rebound to $110 per barrel next year and the 2013 forecast reflected the market at the time.
But Prof MacDonald, the Adam Smith Chair of Political Economy at the University of Glasgow, said this missed the point that many experts think the current volatility is “permanent” and a further fall to $40 per barrel “does not seem unreasonable.”
Earlier this week credit ratings agency Standard & Poor's lowered its oil price assumptions to $70 a barrel for Brent in 2015 and $75 a barrel in 2016
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Predictions are that the low prices are here to stay for the imminent future, this article raises the question of whether Scottish civil servants can produce forecasts without coming under political pressure. It also notes that an independent Scotland would have to raise taxes to generate a cash income of £600 per person per annum, this was not mentioned in the pre referendum debates by the SNP.
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Old 18th Dec 2014, 12:18
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Only a matter of time before Bristow, Bond, CHC etc, lay off techs due the vastly reduced rotations too.

This should give anyone thinking of voting SNP at the GE something to think about. Remember all the crap they came out with on the run up to the 18th as to how the oil would be our saving grace....
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Old 18th Dec 2014, 14:42
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That's fifteen hours with out spitting venom. It that a record for this thread?
I've received a pm from one of the more enthusiastic contributors to this thread, unfortunately for the moment he has been invited to suspend his observations, so to speak.

CHC are still advertising for B1 and B2, I worked there for a period and at that time there was ample opportunities to work within the organisation worldwide, but that may dry up in the current circumstances.
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Old 18th Dec 2014, 16:40
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Whilst we are on the subject of OIL. Who can tell me where the root cause of the price collapse lies. Is it market forces or world politics ?

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Old 18th Dec 2014, 16:59
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From what we read it looks like a bit of both,

As the price of Brent crude fell below $60 for the first time since 2009, the most powerful nations in Opec have made clear that they are willing to push prices as low as $40 a barrel in their bid to take on Russia and US shale, a high-profile Gulf oil minister said this week.
Suhail al-Mazrouei, energy minister of the United Arab Emirates, said that the organisation will let prices fall by more than $20 per barrel before they consider an emergency meeting to cut production.
"We are not going to change our minds because the prices went to $60, or to $40," he said.
Brent crude, the global benchmark, fell by more than a dollar to $59.75 a barrel today, the BBC reports, while the price of US crude dropped to $54.85.
Read more: Oil price: Opec 'will let oil price fall below $40' | Oil price News | The Week UK

A further explanation/theory is found here

BBC News - Is the oil crash a secret US war on Russia?

Lower oil prices, reflected in falling petrol prices at the pump, have been a boon for Western consumers. Are they also a potent US weapon against Russia and Iran?

That's the conclusion drawn by New York Times columnist Thomas L Friedman, who says the US and Saudi Arabia, whether by accident or design, could be pumping Russia and Iran to brink of economic collapse.
Despite turmoil in many of the world's oil-producing countries - Libya, Iraq, Nigeria and Syria - prices are hitting lows not seen in years, Friedman writes.
Analysts identify a number of possible reasons for the steep drop - increased US production, slowing economies in Europe and China and steady production from the Organisation of Petroleum Exporting Countries (Opec).
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