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Old 13th Dec 2014, 12:14
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The only poll that matters is the next one. 2017 is just around the corner.

Is that date your prediction?


Remember how your last prediction went
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Old 13th Dec 2014, 12:15
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Does anyone remember those news stories in the 60s & 70s of isolated Japanese soldiers continuing to fight WW2?
Now think of Perthy...!

Perthy, the electorate have already delivered an A-bomb to the SNP on 18th September. Now time to move on, fella.
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Old 13th Dec 2014, 12:16
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North Sea jobs in jeopardy as oil prices plummet - The Scotsman


[
B]A CONTINUED slide in oil prices to a fresh five-year low has cast further shadows over Scotland’s North Sea industry, which could face thousands of job losses in the coming years.[/B]

Prices fell heavily yesterday after the [COLOR=#446688 !important][COLOR=#446688 !important]International [COLOR=#446688 !important]Energy[/COLOR][/COLOR][/COLOR] Agency (IEA) lowered its forecast for global demand next year, triggering a sharp fall on the London stock exchange as oil-related shares were hit hard.
Looks like your Peoples Republic of Scotchgnats will be relying on your haggis exports to fund your utopia then perthy. Let us know how you get on.
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Old 13th Dec 2014, 12:20
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So many backwards-looking balcony-dwellers.

So few looking forwards.
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Old 13th Dec 2014, 12:22
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Originally Posted by perthsaint View Post
The only poll that matters is the next one. 2017 is just around the corner.
Remember these words by your illustrious ex-leader...

"this is a once in a generation, perhaps even a once in a lifetime, opportunity for Scotland."

Strange but a generation is usually defined as 25 years, moving towards 30 years as people are now living longer and having children later in life. Now I know that in the areas that voted YES that a generation will very likely be less, probably nearer 15 years, but that is still a lot longer than the 3 years that is the difference between 2014 and 2017.

When will the pro-independence side show some good grace and accept 'the settled will of the Scottish people' (another good phrase introduced into the campaign by Alexi Salmondski) and give this a rest for a generation, or even a lifetime?
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Old 13th Dec 2014, 12:24
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Perthy

So few looking forwards.
Talking of looking forward Perthy, what are YOUR views on the effect of a declining oil price on the Scottish economy?
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Old 13th Dec 2014, 12:24
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Yeah, I think we may be waiting a while for Perthsaint the fantasist separatist to actually answer any questions, questions about oil prices, voter numbers, once in a generation and why he thinks I'm a unionist!
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Old 13th Dec 2014, 12:25
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Why do you fear democracy?
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Old 13th Dec 2014, 12:31
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Originally Posted by perthsaint View Post
Why do you fear democracy?
Not sure who that was aimed at, but I don't fear democracy - the people democratically decided that they did not think Scotland should be an independent country. Added to that the very person that called for that referendum said that this was a once in a generation if not once in a lifetime opportunity. I respect that and would also have respected a YES vote 3 months ago - although I would now have my property on the market and be headed south of the border with all my remaining assets, just like my cash and investments did 4 months ago.

So why can't you accept the democratic decision by the people of Scotland Perthy?
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Old 13th Dec 2014, 12:32
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Perthy

Why do you fear democracy?
It seems you have an assumption that some here are fearful of the ballot box. Can you give any examples of posters that do so?

However, perhaps rightfully and "looking forward", the SNP might be more hesitant about offering their policies (or lack of) to the Scottish electorate.
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Old 13th Dec 2014, 12:41
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It's quite clear that those posters who suggest that there should not be a further referendum for a generation or a lifetime do so because they fear democracy.

I would suggest democracy would be best served by having a regular referendum on predetermined dates. Perhaps every second September. Those who genuinely believe our country should not be independent can cast their votes accordingly.
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Old 13th Dec 2014, 12:42
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So many backwards-looking balcony-dwellers. 
The thing you must realise Perthy, is that we get a far wider view from up here on the balcony. We can see for instance that there are huge numbers of leftist voters fed-up with the leaderless Labour party who are using the SNP for their protest votes.

Voting SNP does NOT equate to voting independence. That vote happened in September.
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Old 13th Dec 2014, 12:44
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Perthy, you share the same ill thought out reasoning displayed by Tom and the rest of the strident separatists.
The fact that some of us gain amusement poking fun at your sleazy self serving dishonest scotchnat leaders and their half witted parochial supporters, all trying to recreate the 15th centaury in Scotland, doesn't mean that we are unionists, far from it in fact.
You will never realise your dream of an independent Scotland because the majority of Scots are not that stupid, and your pretending that they are that stupid won't make it happen.
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Old 13th Dec 2014, 12:46
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Voting SNP does not equate to voting (for) independence. Absolutely correct.

Perhaps you could pass that message onto your fellow balcony-dwellers, many of whom will be very confused by it.
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Old 13th Dec 2014, 12:50
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Perthy, I refer you to the first line of your post of 11.27.
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Old 13th Dec 2014, 12:50
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Originally Posted by perthsaint View Post
It's quite clear that those posters who suggest that there should not be a further referendum for a generation or a lifetime do so because they fear democracy.
So why can't you accept the democratic decision by the people of Scotland Perthy?

Originally Posted by perthsaint View Post
I would suggest democracy would be best served by having a regular referendum on predetermined dates. Perhaps every second September. Those who genuinely believe our country should not be independent can cast their votes accordingly.
Look at all the time and money that this referendum campaign took up. That time and money could have been better utilised by the Scottish Parliament actually doing some good for the people of Scotland. How much real work has been done in Holyrood over the last year or 2 compared to normal, non-referndum campaigning years? How much of OUR money did the SNP Government waste on production of the White Paper and trying to cover up lies?

Do you really want this to be a permanent, ongoing thing Perthy, just because you didn't get your own way? Do you always act like a petulant child that doesn't get his own way by blubbing and going on and on about it? Or will you ever grow up and accept the settled will of the Scottish people for a generation, or possibly even a lifetime (even if it is the shortened generation of the Glasgow or Dundee schemes)?

[Not expecting a proper answer from Perthy, as is his trait]
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Old 13th Dec 2014, 12:51
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Thanks, Sallyann, a beautifully crafted piece of prose.
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Old 13th Dec 2014, 12:52
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Perthy

I would suggest democracy would be best served by having a regular referendum on predetermined dates. Perhaps every second September.
Perthy mate, this is pure Comedy Gold! Keep 'em coming fella, we're in stitches!

But seriously, IF we did have referendum on alternate years (sorry, I'm still giggling), how do YOU think that might affect long-term capital investment in Scotland?

(Not holding my breath for a sensible answer, but prepared for another six or seven-worded acknowledgment.)
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Old 13th Dec 2014, 12:54
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MFC,

Do you also believe we should not have regular General/European/local elections? These too take up our time and money yet democracy demands them.
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Old 13th Dec 2014, 13:00
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The Nationalist-Socialists endlessly use the language of "fear". Why is that?

Is it because the erstwhile Stellvertreter des Führer zum Partei is such a horror?
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