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Old 4th Oct 2014, 12:53
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There are several categories of legal admission available to people who are fleeing persecution
I don't think that anybody in the UK has a problem with that, even UKIP. What annoys people are these 'asylum seekers' who cherry pick which country they want 'asylum' in; witness the crowds in Calais. When they do arrive here they will have conveniently lost their home identity papers so that Immigration cannot tell which country they are seeking 'asylum' from.

When it is established that they have no case to answer and should be returned to their own country at the UK taxpayers expense they then hire a solicitor, again at the UK taxpayers expense, to justify them remaining in this country using a host of EVHR legislation.

I have spent a lot of time living and working in other parts of the world. Some of them are as you described, civilised. I would get very short shrift if was caught working or living without the required paperwork. It would be a very quick one-way trip to the border. If you are lucky you will have time to pack.
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Old 4th Oct 2014, 13:21
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For your information, these are quite normal requirements for overseas workers elsewhere.
  • Employment contract for a fixed term.
  • Employer's letter, explaining why an expat appointment is necessary, and why a local appointee cannot fill the position.
  • Work visa dependent on the specified employment.
  • Full medical examination on arrival, including bloods and HIV.
  • Work visa revoked on termination of contract.

THIS IS NORMAL IN THE REAL WORLD.
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Old 4th Oct 2014, 13:31
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Yes I know, I've spent quite some time working overseas, my point is that UKIP haven't explained in detail how they will implement their policy.
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Old 4th Oct 2014, 13:52
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What is the Conservative, Labour and Liberal Democrats policy?
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Old 4th Oct 2014, 14:03
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Hmm....

Police probe claims pro-UK campaigners took illegal postal vote 'tallies' - BBC News
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Old 4th Oct 2014, 14:08
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And?

Still won't change the out come and even if you got another referendum it wouldn't change the out come.
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Old 4th Oct 2014, 14:22
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Fareastdriver, I've looked at this


https://www.gov.uk/government/collec...-parts-1-to-14


It does seem to address the UKIP objective, so is their position the rules need changing? or is it that the present Government are not applying the law vigoursley?


There is little argument that the situation is not satisfactory, however unless they can state exactly what they are prepared to change (or enforce) I think we should be wary.


Perthsaint, if I recall Mr Salmond made great play of saying that Scotland needed a couple of hundred thousand immigrants as part of his economic policy, would you like us to send some up to you? You could then almost imagine that you won the referendum.
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Old 4th Oct 2014, 14:29
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Devo-Max for the north of England?

Viking referendum demands a Northern state based on kingdom of Erik Bloodaxe - Mirror Online

Wonder how they'll cope without our subsidy.
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Old 4th Oct 2014, 14:33
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Someone on this thread predicted this a week or two back......

World on the brink of oil war as Opec bickers over price - Telegraph

Not good news for the Chancellor, but would have been even worse for an independent Scotland.
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Old 4th Oct 2014, 15:17
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Originally Posted by radeng View Post
Someone on this thread predicted this a week or two back......

World on the brink of oil war as Opec bickers over price - Telegraph

Not good news for the Chancellor, but would have been even worse for an independent Scotland.
Wow, end-of-days stuff radeng, looks like we dodged a bullet. There's that union dividend again, but we are worth it


Seems to be pitching for popular support here, who exactly will judge what someone coming to this country may have the potential to contribute, I should think that many have arrived here over the years in some distress and without obvious marketable skills, but have gone on to achieve a positive integration and contribution to the UK.

Immigration policy is too serious an issue to be part of a popular political ad campaign. I hope that UKIP will think things through if they want to join the grown ups.
Not UKiP per se that's the problem rather the certain English mindset to which they pander that we have to be worried about.

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Old 4th Oct 2014, 16:22
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Not UKiP per se that's the problem rather the certain English mindset to which they pander that we have to be worried about.
It's why the SNP were so desperate to keep Farage out, they are both fishing in the same pond
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Old 4th Oct 2014, 16:25
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Tom,

Although I have some sympathy for the UKIP position on Europe, immigration is something else. If we kicked out the foreign doctors and nurses, the NHS would come to a standstill. You can argue that their countries need them, although then they can expect a far lower standard of living....
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Old 4th Oct 2014, 16:57
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Not UKiP per se that's the problem rather the certain English mindset to which they pander that we have to be worried about.
You are right Tom, but you do see the irony surely?

The mindset of many 45ers has the same shortfalls in outlook that you condemn that English mindset.

In the same way that we should not pander to the mindset of the UKIP bigots, in the same way the SNP should not be pandering to the mindset that says "not paying your tax" is some how acceptable. The hatred of the Tories was all too obvious in Alex's rant at FMQ this week as he tried to justify how the near 0.5M collected from past tax dodgers was "not worth collecting". Interesting that he is so keen on waste when it is affecting his precious 45%ers.

It has been suggested that the 45 groups that can't accept the settled will of the Scottish people (er, that was No remember) is either a reference to some max-IQ qualification score for being a member, or even a nod to their total contribution to Scottish GDP - assumed to be around 0.45%.



PS I still can't believe that Redwood threatened businesses to keep quiet about their views on the EU. What a twunt.
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Old 4th Oct 2014, 17:00
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It's why the SNP were so desperate to keep Farage out, they are both fishing in the same pond
Not the SNP that's keeping UKiP out it's the Scottish electorate, just can't see any Holyrod seats falling to UKiP, now Westminster seats, that is another matter. They just don't have any traction here - sure UKiP MEP from Scotland was an aberration, a protest vote, but then there is no popular support in Scotland for the nasty little party to the same degree in England.

Here's the extract from Wiki re Scotland's only UKiP MEP - David Coburn

"David Coburn describes himself as a libertarian and he has vowed to pursue a hardline "libertarian agenda", working closely with the so-called 'London Elite'. He said he wanted businesses to be free of interference from government. Coburn favours the legalisation of recreational drugs, believing that banning drugs causes crime.[2] He has spoken out against Scottish independence during an interview on the BBC's referendum flagship show 'Scotland Decides'. During this interview he also claimed UKIP are the most 'unracist' political party. Despite being gay himself, he feels that gay marriage should not be allowed as it causes homophobia from religious people, and that civil partnerships suffice.[2] He opposes Scottish Independence."


If that entry is correct then I certainly don't believe his views are widely shared in Scotland.


radeng - Tom, Although I have some sympathy for the UKIP position on Europe, immigration is something else. If we kicked out the foreign doctors and nurses, the NHS would come to a standstill. You can argue that their countries need them, although then they can expect a far lower standard of living....
radeng, we are signing from the same hymn sheet on that. The UKiP message on immigration is an old trick. Scotland needs net immigration so the UKiP policy in that respect is not in our interest. Nor is it in reality in England's interest although the Daily Mail would like to convince us otherwise.

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Old 4th Oct 2014, 18:43
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Scotland needs net immigration so the UKiP policy in that respect is not in our interest. Nor is it in reality in England's interest although the Daily Mail would like to convince us otherwise.
I completely agree with that, we all can picture the more obvious failings in our immigration policies, and certain tabloids do push this all the time.
I now enjoy the best dental care that I have ever had, on the NHS, and my dentist is a very pleasant lady from Romania, highly skilled and efficient. Living in an agricultural area (North Dorset) there are a number of seasonal Polish workers to be seen at certain times of the year, their presence solely because the local youth are too idle to get off their arses to do any work.
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Old 4th Oct 2014, 19:13
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Not the SNP that's keeping UKiP out it's the Scottish electorate, just can't see any Holyrod seats falling to UKiP, now Westminster seats, that is another matter. They just don't have any traction here - sure UKiP MEP from Scotland was an aberration, a protest vote, but then there is no popular support in Scotland for the nasty little party to the same degree in England.
You protest too much Tom, as there is no clear water between you, an alliance would serve you both well.
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Old 4th Oct 2014, 19:16
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UKIP have far more in common with the Conservatives and Labour than with any other party.
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Old 4th Oct 2014, 19:28
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Oh dear,

Call for apology over Kenny MacAskill poll tax tweet - BBC News

What was he thinking, if of course he was actually capable of thinking
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Old 4th Oct 2014, 19:47
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MacAskill tweeted: "In southern states of USA post civil war poll tax and other ruses were used to disenfranchise Black people. In 2014 we have Aberdeenshire."

An SNP spokeswoman said Mr MacAskill was not comparing the two situations.
No of course he wasn't.

Having not liked - but still paid - the community charge, I find this defence of those who did dodge it by the incumbent government beyond ridiculous.

Westminster should subtract the outstanding bill - 420M - from future Barnett block calculations if the SG persist in passing this law.

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Old 4th Oct 2014, 20:24
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You protest too much Tom, as there is no clear water between you, an alliance would serve you both well.
Would be a cold day in hell before I would ever consider voting UKiP engineer, they are as intellectually bankrupt as they are morally. Should the folk south of the wall throw away whatever sense they may have and vote UKiP in sufficient numbers then I suspect that this would be a source of friction between our two countries, whether it would strain our union is of course another matter. In all honesty engineer, I would prefer you lot consign this party to the history books and chalk your dalliance with their doctrine down to a bout of absent mindedness.

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