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Old 23rd Sep 2013, 18:45
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It's not the person, it's the access to guns that is the problem. They ought to have stricter background checks
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Old 23rd Sep 2013, 18:46
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There are virtually no Muslims in Northern Ireland but a large percentage of the population claim to be Christian.
Was there any lack of Christian leaders condemning the violence there?
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Old 23rd Sep 2013, 18:51
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For some odd reason I don't think the purveyors of fine shooting (of bullets into the air) would care too much about the possible consequences of their "celebratory" weapons' firing.
"What goes up must come down"

Tom Petty knew all along, we could all learn from him.
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Old 23rd Sep 2013, 18:57
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Something like 3,000 were killed in the Twin Towers.
Quite a few more than that were killed in Northern Ireland.
3466 killed in NI during "The Troubles" which includes deaths caused by IRA/Loyalists and security forces combined
http://www.wesleyjohnston.com/users/...les_stats.html

Not sure if a difference of 466 is "quite a few more" especially as over 350 of those deaths can be attributed to the security forces
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Old 23rd Sep 2013, 20:45
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To my woolly liberal mind, the aQ, aS and the Taliban are as least as big a threat to civilisation generally as the plague or smallpox. Nobody complains about smallpox or polio being eradicated so why about just as big a threat to civilisation - i.e. these terrorist organisations? Now a nasty painful public end might just persuade some people not to join them - and so is worth it.

Just consider what they want - the whole world as an extreme Islamic state under THEIR perverted idea of Islam - with no education of women, no alcohol, stoning of gays, no religious freedom, no existence of Israel, etc......

So to my mind, they must be dealt with like Japanese knotweed, smallpox, and nasty bacteria and viruses - exterminated - for the good of the rest of society. All of them.

yes, I'm a woolly minded liberal. .kill ALL the bast*ards! Just as we try to do with polio, tuberculosis and smallpox germs.
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Old 23rd Sep 2013, 21:04
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radeng,

You reckon a really really big H-Bomb dropped smack dab in the center of Mecca would be a good start? Do the old...."sending a message" thing with them!

Would the proverbial Bucket of SunShine enlighten them a bit and end all this bowing five times a day in a particular direction and allow them to get on with some useful pursuits?
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Old 23rd Sep 2013, 21:12
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" So to my mind, they must be dealt with like Japanese knotweed, smallpox, and nasty bacteria and viruses - exterminated - for the good of the rest of society. All of them.

yes, I'm a woolly minded liberal. .kill ALL the bast*ards! Just as we try to do with polio, tuberculosis and smallpox germs. "


And when the reality finally sinks in that this is the only solution, expedite it with no fanfare, keep the fg media completely in the dark and ban them totally ( by any means ...) from any conflict zones. As the IDF learned towards the end of the 2008 Lebanon conflict, the media does no good at all.

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Old 23rd Sep 2013, 21:17
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Thanks for that RG perhaps someone should tell them.
Why?
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Old 23rd Sep 2013, 21:18
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At a bare minimum, stop importing them into civilized societies, and stop sending aid to their failed governments.

Any state identifying itself as an Islamic state should be recused from any aid, and if possible, trade, whatsoever by states considering themselves tolerant, pluralistic and civilized.
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Old 23rd Sep 2013, 21:20
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Only problem is the "UN" and all the others fluffies who will complain
about their "Human rights".

I think you'd have a few takers
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Old 23rd Sep 2013, 21:28
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radeng, you be opening a can of worms with that plan, because killing the foot soldiers is putting yourself on a hiding to nowhere - there'll always be replacement foot soldiers as long as there's a cashed-up organisation (and leaders) to direct them.

Those who should know (Western security services and their masters, Western politicians) know the identities of quite a few of the people who provide the cash (without which the also vital leaders would be powerless). However, a bit like that time the CIA had Bin Laden pinpointed while he was falcon hunting in Pakistan and Bill Clinton wouldn't give the go ahead for a drone strike because of who was with him, (princes of the royal family of Abu Dhabi), these money men are politically untouchable - or have been to date.

I had a friend who did a few tours in Northern Ireland during the Troubles. He said that the security forces knew exactly who the leaders of the Provos were and could see them going about their business quite openly - but because of the requirement for 'the good guys' to remain within the law, these men remained free. The one time they arrested four (***ing FOUR!!!) men and locked them up without charge, terrorist activity virtually stopped the whole time those four were locked up. (But of course, those same four innocent men were paid huge amounts in compensation years later after human rights lawyers flocked to represent them.)

If the real world was like a Daniel Craig movie, maybe as few as ten men (some of them very public figures, mostly, but perhaps not all in the Middle East) would have unfortunate accidents - and it would be all over.

I'm not talking about the leadership of the terrorist organisations who practise very good fieldcraft in maintaining a very low profile; I'm talking about very public figures who, either from a well-concealed desire to see the world cast back to the seventh century CE or (more likely) in a misguided attempt to buy the troublemakers off, hoping that their countries or business empires will be left alone, provide that terrorist leadership with the millions they require to operate.
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Old 23rd Sep 2013, 21:34
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Andu,

Your post suggests we might be well served to revert to operative policies of the Cold War era, when the likes of CIA clandestinely penetrated the enemy's fortress, disabled it's leadership, manipulated the world view, promoted allies, and kept the world in order in the face of a far more capable threat.

I'd be all for a latter day Wild Bill Donovan, with copious resources, and I contend the world would be better for it.
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Old 23rd Sep 2013, 21:35
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Supposedly 2 members are from UK and 3 from US...............IF 2 were from Syria and 3 from Iran wouldn't media be claiming that it was the work of respective governments ?
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Old 23rd Sep 2013, 21:37
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Until they find they have left it too late....

There are relatively few Muslims who support these terrorist actions. The majority of Muslim countries don't, but, I suspect, don't want to cause too much internal upset by saying so. Turning the middle east into fused sand won't help, either. Personally, I'd napalm the Somali villages that send out the pirates and also any of the terrorist training grounds. Any terrorists captured in Europe would be deported to a suitable African country for interrogation and appropriate painful death sentence - and no "human rights" being applicable.

When in 2050 there is a majority of Muslims in the UK, Sharia law is voted in by a majority in parliament and alcohol is banned, look back on the days of freedom....

Fortunately, it's most unlikely I'll still be alive....
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Old 23rd Sep 2013, 21:37
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The best you can do with CIA operatives in Africa is kill them. Barbecue the bastards and drink a beer. As we did.

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Old 23rd Sep 2013, 21:43
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You may have thought they were CIA, Caco, but that is only what we wanted you to think. Sorry to have manipulated you, too.
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Old 23rd Sep 2013, 21:43
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catch them, dope them up then chuck them out of a helicopter from 10,000 feet while over the sea.
Bit extreme that!

One Thousand Feet is plenty and why waste good Dope!

Give'em a quick Spanish Lesson...."AMF!" and out they go!
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Old 23rd Sep 2013, 21:50
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How long does it take a person to reach terminal velocity ?
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Old 23rd Sep 2013, 21:54
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How long does it take a person to reach terminal velocity ?
Depends how hard you stab him...


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Old 23rd Sep 2013, 22:08
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How long does it take a person to reach terminal velocity ?

300 feet or 10,000 feet......if going into the Oggin.....the "Terminal Part" is a constant.....Velocity could be a variable in reality.
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