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Old 23rd Sep 2013, 11:07
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Jubaland... and el Kabab...

As any fule know the Kenyans were instrumental in throwing al Shabab out of Kisamyo... in support of the UN backed government in Somalia...

Tis a murky picture in that region at the moment... far better to support the African forces than arrive all white and mob handed and look like a bunch of colonialists all over again methinks...

BBC News - Somalia accuses Kenya over Kismayo clashes

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Old 23rd Sep 2013, 14:19
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Ahmed Mohamed Isse, 22, “native” of St. Paul, Minn., Abdifatah Osman Keenadiid, 24, of Minneapolis, and Gen Mustafe Noorudiin, 27, of Kansas City, Mo.
Ah. Of Irish-American heritage no doubt. Or maybe Dutch. The mind boggles.
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Old 23rd Sep 2013, 14:21
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maxmartin96 wrote:

Muslims are generally a peaceful people. What a lot of the Western World seems unable to discern is that these 'Terrorists' are a sub-group of Muslims.
This is true. In theory. However, when the vast majority of non-terrorist Muslims fails to speak out, en masse, against the actions of their sub-groups, well then......
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Old 23rd Sep 2013, 14:26
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Which is what everyone has said, show weakness and they
will exploit it.

They better not cross swords with Mr. Obama of Nobel Peace Prize fame......or he will show them how that "Lead from Behind" thingy works.
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Old 23rd Sep 2013, 14:31
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Somalia ?

Send in the Aust SAS, the rat bags didn't like them because they didn't
fcuk around the first time they took them on, got a bloody nose and
learn't well enough to leave them alone.

Which is what everyone has said, show weakness and they
will exploit it.
Not that easy bro. Ever read what the Somalis call "The Day of the Rangers"? Or, what we in the West know as Black Hawk Down.

I had quite a few closer friends who fought the good fight against the "skinnies" in Mog. Although I have the utmost respect for the Aussie SF community/SAS the thousands of "skinnies" who can gather and be thrown at any "hostile" force is overwhelming. Look at who was involved in Mog back then: the best of the best America had to offer. Yeah, there were many f**k ups but at the end of the day the Mogs were overwhelming in sheer numbers. And many a good man gave his life that day. All for the price of tea and a slice.
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Old 23rd Sep 2013, 14:35
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I wasn't putting down the US or Rangers.
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Old 23rd Sep 2013, 14:44
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If anyone thinks there is no Christian terrorism they should read this wiki (Yes I know wiki isn't always that accurate, but read it with a grain of salt).

So how about the Christian leaders rising up and deploring all acts of terrorism done by splinter groups in the name of Christianity?

I'm not downplaying the seriousness of any terrorism, just pointing fingers in all directions.
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Old 23rd Sep 2013, 14:50
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Nor did I think you were. I was just trying to bring out the point that the inhabitants of skinny land are a force to be reckoned with regardless of who might be taking the battle to them. Individually the Mogs are useless. But in packs, which they seem to prefer, they're a different story.
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So how about the Christian leaders rising up and deploring all acts of terrorism done by splinter groups in the name of Christianity?
If a group of Christians hijacked planes and crashed them into buildings, killing thousands in the name of their religion, do you seriously think there's any mainstream Christian leader anywhere who wouldn't publicly condemn their actions?

One of the big problems with Islam is that it never went through a reconciliation with secular government the way Christianity did centuries ago. 'Render unto Caesar' and all that. By explicitly separating the religion from politics, it can get along with all but the worst kinds of government.
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Old 23rd Sep 2013, 15:38
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If these assassins have been holed-up for as long as they have been (and in a shopping mall populated by so many people), how come that the death toll is as low as has been suggested?

Or is there much more to be revealed?

Oh, and:-
Police have been using tear gas to disperse crowds of onlookers
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Old 23rd Sep 2013, 15:43
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If these assassins have been holed-up for as long as they have been (and in a shopping mall populated by so many people), how come that the death toll is as low as has been suggested?
Probably because a: the remaining shoppers are hiding and b: shooting from the hip, without pointing your weapon, is not the most efficient method of killing people. AQ, and its associates, (as well as the Taliban, Pakistani Frontier troops, et al) have this weird custom of aim-in-the-general-direction-and-pull-the-trigger. Preferably holding the weapon above your head while firing.
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Here's a question for you, when you see on TV people celebrating firing there guns up in the air ( usually in the sandy countries ) when the bullets fall back down to the ground would they still have the energy to kill someone ?
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Old 23rd Sep 2013, 16:06
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Most rounds fired into the air can go as high as one mile. (Or more. Depends on a lot of things.)
Bullets are aerodynamic by design. Thus any air resistance a bullet meets upon descent will be negligible in its return trajectory.

In essence, a bullet fired into the air in "celebratory" fashion will return to earth (what goes up... must come down...) and is quite capable of killing, or seriously injuring, someone.
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Old 23rd Sep 2013, 16:12
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Thanks for that RG perhaps someone should tell them.
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superq:

For some odd reason I don't think the purveyors of fine shooting (of bullets into the air) would care too much about the possible consequences of their "celebratory" weapons' firing.
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Those posturing over the likes of Iran and Syria would be much better employed giving some consideration to Somalia with its pirates and religious fanatics ruling the roost.
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Old 23rd Sep 2013, 16:46
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So how about the Christian leaders rising up and deploring all acts of terrorism done by splinter groups in the name of Christianity?
What say you make an exhaustive list of every single such act over the past 50 years.....and let's compare that to a similar list for such events done in the name of Islam over say the past 5 years and lets compare lists shall we?

Get real....we know where the problem is.....and it is not the Non-Muslims wreaking havoc on all and sundry.

You reckon the Wahabi's in Saudi spend just a little bit more funding radical Islamic groups than does say the Salvation Army and Southern Baptists combined?

Pointing yer finger at an overflowing bogl when there is a Tsunami roaring down on you is just a bit far fetched don't you think?
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Old 23rd Sep 2013, 17:18
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Maxmartin 96 - If you had spent a little time in Islamic countries you would have learned how deluded you are.For many years Islamic children have been taught to hate non Muslims,they are even taught to hate different branches of Islam.I have spent over 20 years in Islamic countries and have seen the problem grow - it was not always this way. Much of this hatred can be ascribed to Saudi financed madrassas throughout the Islamic world where medieval Wahabi beliefs are taught. I think that envy is at the root of this hatred - they practice Islam,pray 5 times a day,perform Hajj etc and they still live in poverty and are oppressed by their leaders while we non believers live immeasurably better lives -they really cannot understand why.
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Old 23rd Sep 2013, 17:54
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Something like 3,000 were killed in the Twin Towers.
Quite a few more than that were killed in Northern Ireland. There are virtually no Muslims in Northern Ireland but a large percentage of the population claim to be Christian.
And time frames are irrelevant; those killed are just as dead whether they were killed all in one instant or over the space of 20 years.
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Old 23rd Sep 2013, 18:39
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Following that logic the relentless daily toll Islamist zealots exact on each other and the rest of us make Northern Ireland's troubles a trifle in comparison.
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