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WF, It's a debating forum, 
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You use the ignore feature on PPRuNe so as not to read my posts; your right absolutely, but I do read yours, for although I find them flawed, they form part of the debate.
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You use the ignore feature on PPRuNe so as not to read my posts; your right absolutely, but I do read yours, for although I find them flawed, they form part of the debate.
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Airship
'Banana boats' was a term generally used for vessels of the Elders-Fyffe line which were fitted out for transporting bananas from the West Indies to the UK. A friend of mine was a sparks - Radio Officer - on one for a time.
'Banana boats' was a term generally used for vessels of the Elders-Fyffe line which were fitted out for transporting bananas from the West Indies to the UK. A friend of mine was a sparks - Radio Officer - on one for a time.
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You and SG have a handy knack of ignoring questions which are pertinent and relevant but a trifle awkward for your adopted stance.
"That struts and frets his hour upon the stage And then is heard no more: it is a tale Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, Signifying nothing",
to take up Gigabytes of data on the Internet Brands servers and add not one whit to anybody's greater understanding of the issues save for the fact that "lefties" are all wrong and "right wingers" are all racists (or whatever).
Caco
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OK, so to summarise the last few thousand posts on this thread, not everyone is keen on giving money to "far away countries of which we know little" especially when the current government is running a deficit of £120bn pa.
Let's bring the debate a little nearer home and chuck some unleaded on the coals while we're at it. Under the Barnett Formula approximately £12bn pa is taken from predominantly English taxpayers and redistributed to Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland. That's a bargain then.
Barnett formula - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia for thems that's interested.
Oh, and before anyone mentions 'Scottish oil', it's not Scottish (if you take that argument to its logical conclusion, the South East could claim first dibs on the revenue from the City for example), it's British, and most of the R&D and infrastructure spend came from American companies.
Let's bring the debate a little nearer home and chuck some unleaded on the coals while we're at it. Under the Barnett Formula approximately £12bn pa is taken from predominantly English taxpayers and redistributed to Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland. That's a bargain then.
Barnett formula - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia for thems that's interested.
Oh, and before anyone mentions 'Scottish oil', it's not Scottish (if you take that argument to its logical conclusion, the South East could claim first dibs on the revenue from the City for example), it's British, and most of the R&D and infrastructure spend came from American companies.
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Without us Jocks, you would have had no Television, Tarmac, Gas Lighting, Steam Engines, Raincoats, Chloroform, Tyres, Telephones, Penicillin, Radar, Beta Blockers, Paraffin, Chicken Tikka Masala and the Deep Fried Mars Bar and many other vital necessities.
Why do you think so many of us believe Salmond is such a tosser ?
Why do you think so many of us believe Salmond is such a tosser ?
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" He's just being "picked upon" by lazy journalists especially and the media in general, for wont of making any efforts to report "real news" during this "holiday period" when so many of their more "serious" journalists are inevitably on summer holidays, leaving the ship's wheel to the ship's "galley boy"...
He is far from being picked on as you imply. He has a prominent position within UKiP along with a chequered history, all in the public domain, hence the reporting of his highly offensive, or rather the highly offensive to many inference he made, is fully justified.
UA and TZ....what a wonderful pairing ! neither of you can offer any form of logic or rationale to your views irrespective of the subject.
I can only muse here....lets go back in history....say to the middle of the 20th century,,late 30's--mid 40's.....the pair of you would have, no doubt ( and you are far from alone here, the same hypothesis applies to virtually all the right wing contributors on here ) have found some rather safe "but absolutely essential you understand " post that would allow you to prop up the bar at night and pontificate to the world how damned important you were,,without ever actually getting involved in however minimal a capacity and that includes research etc.
Me?..Probably being scared sh£tless in the back of something flying somewhere in the world...but there nevertheless.
And therein lies the difference between us...
He is far from being picked on as you imply. He has a prominent position within UKiP along with a chequered history, all in the public domain, hence the reporting of his highly offensive, or rather the highly offensive to many inference he made, is fully justified.
UA and TZ....what a wonderful pairing ! neither of you can offer any form of logic or rationale to your views irrespective of the subject.
I can only muse here....lets go back in history....say to the middle of the 20th century,,late 30's--mid 40's.....the pair of you would have, no doubt ( and you are far from alone here, the same hypothesis applies to virtually all the right wing contributors on here ) have found some rather safe "but absolutely essential you understand " post that would allow you to prop up the bar at night and pontificate to the world how damned important you were,,without ever actually getting involved in however minimal a capacity and that includes research etc.
Me?..Probably being scared sh£tless in the back of something flying somewhere in the world...but there nevertheless.
And therein lies the difference between us...
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Off topic as far as the thread is concerned, but in response to the comments about Scotland, I find it remarkably pleasant and civilised. Spent the weekend relaxing in and around Edinburgh and am working here this week, commuting in using the fast and frequent Scotrail services. People are civil, food good, and the city is, as always, clean and beautiful. I think the Scots have much to be proud of, both past and present.
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"the reporting of his highly offensive, or rather the highly offensive to many inference "
KnC
I think you need to define "many" there, and provide proof of your observation. I would have thought it more likely that the majority of people in this country would not find the comment offensive. Those who do are the easily led Guardian-reading sheep with limited degrees of freedom of individual thought or expression. And anyway, so what if people do think it offensive? We all say and do things which others find offensive (you certainly do with your posts on this forum). It rather appears that you think its OK for you to be offensive, but no-one else. Which conveniently brings me to another part of your post:
"I can only muse here....lets go back in history....say to the middle of the 20th century,,late 30's--mid 40's.....the pair of you would have, no doubt ( and you are far from alone here, the same hypothesis applies to virtually all the right wing contributors on here ) have found some rather safe "but absolutely essential you understand " post that would allow you to prop up the bar at night and pontificate to the world how damned important you were,,without ever actually getting involved in however minimal a capacity and that includes research etc. "
You are directly accusing two people there of being skiving cowards. Or worse 'probable' cowards even though they may never have had the chance to prove otherwise. Depending on who you aimed the "applies to virtually all the right wing contributors" comment at, you could be accusing rather a larger number.
You have nothing to suggest such cowardice by those you accuse. Indeed your comment is nothing more than that of a shit-stirring liar. You really have hit the bottom of the slurry tank this time
KnC
I think you need to define "many" there, and provide proof of your observation. I would have thought it more likely that the majority of people in this country would not find the comment offensive. Those who do are the easily led Guardian-reading sheep with limited degrees of freedom of individual thought or expression. And anyway, so what if people do think it offensive? We all say and do things which others find offensive (you certainly do with your posts on this forum). It rather appears that you think its OK for you to be offensive, but no-one else. Which conveniently brings me to another part of your post:
"I can only muse here....lets go back in history....say to the middle of the 20th century,,late 30's--mid 40's.....the pair of you would have, no doubt ( and you are far from alone here, the same hypothesis applies to virtually all the right wing contributors on here ) have found some rather safe "but absolutely essential you understand " post that would allow you to prop up the bar at night and pontificate to the world how damned important you were,,without ever actually getting involved in however minimal a capacity and that includes research etc. "
You are directly accusing two people there of being skiving cowards. Or worse 'probable' cowards even though they may never have had the chance to prove otherwise. Depending on who you aimed the "applies to virtually all the right wing contributors" comment at, you could be accusing rather a larger number.
You have nothing to suggest such cowardice by those you accuse. Indeed your comment is nothing more than that of a shit-stirring liar. You really have hit the bottom of the slurry tank this time
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I like this one from the irrepressible Ellen.
"Do people really have to judge people on whether they're gay or straight? Can't we just judge them on the type of car they drive?"
-Ellen Degeneres
And thank you Capetonian, some of the views expressed on here might be whispered in a Glasgow Pub ?
"Do people really have to judge people on whether they're gay or straight? Can't we just judge them on the type of car they drive?"
-Ellen Degeneres
And thank you Capetonian, some of the views expressed on here might be whispered in a Glasgow Pub ?
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Foreign aid is the worst form of racism. In practice, a select number of ethnicities/races receive dispensation from good governance. They are, in effect, told that the normal rules do not apply to them. They can have more children than they can feed. Their rulers can skim off as much money as they like. No problem: there will always be the taxpayers in "developed nations" who will be milked to provide enough funds to not only plug the holes, but also to further encourage the recipient countries of foreign aid to carry on as before.
Examples: Nigeria, a country with massive oil revenues. Yet the place is an absolute shithole. India, a country which affords itself a space program, yet happily accepts foreign aid. A plurality of African countries who still have not been able to lay water pipes to the majority of their population, but their politicians run around in latest-model luxury cars and their diplomats overseas are the best customers of brothels and night clubs.
It's time that the taxpayers in countries like the UK are no longer asked to subsidize this insanity.
Of course, the problem is compounded by the foreign aid industry, whose executives like jetting around in F or C class and love to reside in 5-star hotels in recipient countries.
Sick.
We must stop foreign aid and get the message across that the populations of shithole countries must first and foremost hold their politicians responsible for their plight. Never mind the foreign aid executives who will lose out one air miles.
Examples: Nigeria, a country with massive oil revenues. Yet the place is an absolute shithole. India, a country which affords itself a space program, yet happily accepts foreign aid. A plurality of African countries who still have not been able to lay water pipes to the majority of their population, but their politicians run around in latest-model luxury cars and their diplomats overseas are the best customers of brothels and night clubs.
It's time that the taxpayers in countries like the UK are no longer asked to subsidize this insanity.
Of course, the problem is compounded by the foreign aid industry, whose executives like jetting around in F or C class and love to reside in 5-star hotels in recipient countries.
Sick.
We must stop foreign aid and get the message across that the populations of shithole countries must first and foremost hold their politicians responsible for their plight. Never mind the foreign aid executives who will lose out one air miles.
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K&C
I would contend that I have offered far more justification for my views than your sneering asides and pathetic attempts to flower up the English language with insubstantial dross, and I'm pretty sure I wouldn't have seen you in any of the conflicts I've been at the front end of in service of my country. So, when I prop up any bar, I can walk the walk and talk the talk without contradiction from keyboard warriors like you (I couldn't actually visualise you fighting without wishing to bore the enemy to death with meaningless dialogue first, despite your time at Culdrose ?)
I would contend that I have offered far more justification for my views than your sneering asides and pathetic attempts to flower up the English language with insubstantial dross, and I'm pretty sure I wouldn't have seen you in any of the conflicts I've been at the front end of in service of my country. So, when I prop up any bar, I can walk the walk and talk the talk without contradiction from keyboard warriors like you (I couldn't actually visualise you fighting without wishing to bore the enemy to death with meaningless dialogue first, despite your time at Culdrose ?)
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Utrinque
the TV system proposed by Baird bears no relationship whatsoever to today's TV systems - or even those introduced in 1936. Baird's mechanical TV was, in reality, an impractical approach. Although the Scots don't wish to realise it.
In the same way that they wish us to believe that Robert Watson-Watt invented radar - or even that the cavity magnetron was invented in Britain!
the TV system proposed by Baird bears no relationship whatsoever to today's TV systems - or even those introduced in 1936. Baird's mechanical TV was, in reality, an impractical approach. Although the Scots don't wish to realise it.
In the same way that they wish us to believe that Robert Watson-Watt invented radar - or even that the cavity magnetron was invented in Britain!
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Radeng, I see the concept of self deprecating humour is lost on you. Let me explain, the Scots have contributed much to the human condition, if you ever contract an STD, thank a Scotsman, er no, let me rephrase that 
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" Say all you have to say in the fewest possible words, or your reader will be sure to skip them; and in the plainest possible words or he will certainly misunderstand them." - John Ruskin
Sound words to live by, ignored by K&C
The parasitic
that forgets to remind us that he is one of those who has been sucking from the tit of public money for all its worthless existence and will continue to until his demise.
Of course he will support the pi$$ing away of millions in foreign aid and the multicultural nightmare. He is insulated from the 3rd world living standards suffered by millions of Brits through the actions of those scum he is subservient to.
The benefits of having no sense of taste or smell ......
Sound words to live by, ignored by K&C
The parasitic
that forgets to remind us that he is one of those who has been sucking from the tit of public money for all its worthless existence and will continue to until his demise. Of course he will support the pi$$ing away of millions in foreign aid and the multicultural nightmare. He is insulated from the 3rd world living standards suffered by millions of Brits through the actions of those scum he is subservient to.
The benefits of having no sense of taste or smell ......
