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A bit sick of Britain?

Old 31st Jul 2013, 08:22
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Every country has the right to say"if you come to our country you obey the laws and if not your on your bike".Pretty simple I would have thought.
Correct. Similarly, if you move to another country, as we have done, you do your best to embrace the culture and norms of the country and of the locality in which you have settled. I'm not sure entirely how well we have fared but we do both speak passable Spanish and everyone we meet here is extremely pleasant, welcoming and helpful. I don't wear a Burkha but I do wear a crash hat when cycling!
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Old 31st Jul 2013, 09:42
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And guess what? As an Australian who holds no other passport or citizenship, it pisses me off royally! We have a hefty sector of or 'citizens' who hold no allegiance or loyalty to Australia (except, in all too many cases, twice a month when their CentrLink payment is deposited in their bank account [and, if anecdotal evidence is to be believed, all too often that should read "accountS" plural]).
Way of the world. Of course a lot of them are British . And Taiwanese, but TBQH I don't blame them for keeping a backup option in their back pocket.
"compulsory National Service for youth,"
The three most vehement objectors to National Service I know are former or serving Army. Basically, their belief is that they don't need a pile of unmotivated overweight also-rans who don't want to be there. Also (as the current serving AJ points out) training legions of dissolute youth to use firearms and set booby traps isn't necessarily a good idea.

I know that a number of European countries still have national service and that's their perogative, but in Australia getting into the ADF is IMO correctly tough and challenging. Modern warfare requires smart, fit, dedicated solders, not vast hordes of cannon fodder. Our small defence force doesn't have room for also-rans.
Australia full of fluffy lefties too then?, I thought you were all rufty tuffty men's men
Bear in mind that Australian left is fairly right by UK standards. Barring a few notable loud mouthed huggy fluff pollies (who unite both left and right in universal ) much of the left looks more like this...

The reason that 'Spanish youngsters are leaving Spain in droves' is because there is little or no work for them at home, apparently 30% of Europe's youth unemployed are from Spain....
Tell me, those of you who know the place... I visited Spain shortly before the GFC, when worldwide times were rosy and it was boom time for all, and they still had a massive unemployment rate. Has it always been thus ? As a visitor, I couldn't see how it was sustainable, but people there seemed to take it for granted that a quarter or so of young people were out of work.

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Old 31st Jul 2013, 09:56
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I have been saying for a long time that people who wish to cover their faces or their entire bodies should be allowed to do so. The rest of us should then be allowed to complete the ostracisation process that they have thus started by excluding them from our shops, banks, public transport, roads, social circles, restaurants, etc. But of course the fluffy pinkos say no, we must bow down to them.

Cover up and take the consequences or fly off to somewhere else.
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Old 31st Jul 2013, 10:21
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because there is little or no work for them at home

In our immediate area of Spain (Catalunia) there are one couple rushed off their feet doing holiday rentals, another rushed off their feet (he doing building and she teaches yoga) and a third couple rushed off their feet (he doing construction she doing law). All couples young, with children in school, frequently heard to expostulate "there are not enough hours in the day to get the work done". And all are - wait for it ! English.

they still had a massive unemployment rate

Oh dear oh dear. Northern European thinking applied to Spain.

Spain has always had a massive unemployment rate, if by "unemployment" you mean "not working legally". Working illegally ? Something else. And as Rajoy puts the taxes up more firms go "bust" on paper, but the work still has to be done, so they sack the workers who go on whatever benefits they can find, while working for their old employers illegally. If you look at the Spanish states "income" since Rajoy put the taxes up, it has actually fallen.

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Old 31st Jul 2013, 10:47
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Gotcha, thanks. Australian thinking rather than Northern European thinking, but I take your point. That explains it ...
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Old 31st Jul 2013, 13:28
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It is traditional in Spain for children to inherit their parents' businesses, be they agricultural or otherwise. It is also traditional for children to stay in the educational system longer than in northern Europe and to remain at home with their parents for much longer. The family ethic is very strong in Spain and when times are hard young people stay at home without work. However, young Spanish people, in keeping with many other countries, will not take menial jobs, especially since they can stay at home with their parents. Such jobs are taken traditionally by Hispanics from south and central America and, latterly, by eastern Europeans. so I can look out of my window and see street cleaners from Ecuador and Ukraine and I can go to a bar in the city and be served by a camarera from Colombia. As OFSO says, northern European standards do not apply here. It is a different country with a different tradition and a different culture. There was (and maybe still is) a serious EU suggestion that the Union be divided into north west and south east Europe, each with its own distinct systems, thus taking into account the Mediterranean culture.
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Old 31st Jul 2013, 13:33
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There was (and maybe still is) a serious EU suggestion that the Union be divided into north west and south east Europe, each with its own distinct systems, thus taking into account the Mediterranean culture.
Better still, why not just revert to how it all was before this EUssr bullcrap started? The Portuguese and the Spanish despise and/or mock each other, as do the French and the Belgians, the Germans and the Austrians, the Germans and the Bavarians (who do not consider themselves German) etc, so you'll never get commonality to work within, let alone between, different nations.
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Old 31st Jul 2013, 13:42
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AtomKraft#

As far as I see , none of the comments in the preceeding four pages have asked anything about your motivations. Apart from the miserable news that you don't want to hear :

1) What do you do ?
2) Where do you live ?
3) What is your family situation ?
4)What is your financial situation ?
5) How old are you ?
6 Are you a Celtic-type who burns easily ?
7) How well do you speak several foreign languages ? ( Lots , as a pilot, I imagine )
8) Are you an EU/US national ?

If you want any really targetted advice rather than setting off a storm of advice in all directions, add detail, otherwise just look at the met charts for good weather and other charts for lousy TV reception to achieve your aims of diminishing the bad news input.
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Old 31st Jul 2013, 14:05
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Since you ask:

1. Short haul pilot
2. Scotland
3. Married. Standard pilot family, two girls, 17 & 19.
4. Not enough money, as usual, but not exactly broke.
5. 52
6. As a matter of fact, I am.
7. A little German, and that's it.
8. I'm a UK citizen, so I guess 'yes' to EU national.

I intend to work in India btw.
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Old 31st Jul 2013, 14:43
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I intend to work in India btw.
At last! Someone in a call centre I can understand. * Oh, hang on .......... Scotland .........*


* denotes humourous intent.....
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Old 31st Jul 2013, 15:59
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I do wonder what drugs they on when they decided that such a diverse collection of countries could agree to cozy up to each other and pretend we are all the same.
Probably the same ones they were on when they thought that communism could work.

"Yes, comrade, yes, obviously the productive people will happily work twelve hours a day to provide free stuff for the unproductive. It just makes so much sense."

And the EU is essentially the same: it held together so long as the rich countries were willing to send lots of money to the poor countries, but the first recession was inevitably going to make them wonder why they were doing it.
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Old 31st Jul 2013, 21:20
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They have to, Its the only way to get a waiter to hear you across a room full of chattering spaniards..innit
I think you will find that, in Benidorm (which I know well), bars full of noisy English do not usually have Spanish in them. If you locate the Old Town and move off the main tourist thoroughfare into the side streets, you will find delightful bars owned and populated by the Spanish which, in our experience, are wonderfully quiet.

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Old 1st Nov 2013, 01:20
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Right.

I'm leaving for India on Wednesday- that'll be 6 Nov.



UK. taxes, cheerio.
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Old 1st Nov 2013, 09:48
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Atomcraft - remember to take plenty immodium! I worked world wide and India was the only country that I contracted stomach trouble - every time.You have never experienced the trots until you have had a dose of the dreaded Delhi belly. Fascinating place - hope you are not going to Ahmedabad - whole place smells of cowshit as they dry it along the roadside and use it as fuel on the stove.
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Old 1st Nov 2013, 10:04
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Originally Posted by AtomKraft View Post
Right.

I'm leaving for India on Wednesday- that'll be 6 Nov.



UK. taxes, cheerio.
Any chance in a few weeks of an honest 'before and after' comment?
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Old 1st Nov 2013, 11:47
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Old 1st Nov 2013, 12:12
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When I arrived as a 10 pound Pom in Essendon in 1960 the locals were convinced that the place was about to turn into Italy because of the immigrants. They still speak English there?
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Old 1st Nov 2013, 12:56
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Go for it Atomcraft !

I upped sticks and moved out with the family 20 years ago.

Not India, but not to the usual expat bolthole.

Never looked back.

Most of my UK friends here, when asked what the worst thing about getting out of the UK sh*tpit, replied, "wish I had done it sooner".


Cheers
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Old 1st Nov 2013, 13:06
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What's going on in Westminster Today

Jam regulations debate
A Liberal Democrat MP leads a debate on regulations for jam and similar products.
Says it all really.

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Old 1st Nov 2013, 14:24
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I'm leaving for India on Wednesday- that'll be 6 Nov.
Hopefully after leaving your mark in the cellars under Downing Street on te way

A Liberal Democrat MP leads a debate on regulations for jam and similar products
No need to knock the EU, the home grown idiots are bad enough
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