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Old 26th Aug 2013, 20:06
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Hmmm, those chaps have become experts at knocking together IEDs why not a Improvised Chemical Device? five gallon can of sarin a half pound of semtex and a timer?
The first problem is making pure Sarin and finding a way to store it without it breaking down to harmless compounds after a few days.

Having solved that problem you need to find a way to distribute the volatile liquid over a wide enough area to get effective concentrations at ground level, before the stuff evaporates and dissipates.

Just blowing up a drum of reasonably pure Sarin won't have a big effect, you need to find a way of scattering it over a wide area. Blowing it up won't scatter it more than a few yards, 90% of it will just get vaporised upwards.
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Old 26th Aug 2013, 20:15
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According to a bloke on the news Syria has more chemical weaponry stashed away than any other country, I'm not suggesting the rebels have manufactured it themselves but they may well have captured some,plus of course plenty of Assad's chaps have swopped sides perhaps some with training in such weaponry and knowledge of its whereabouts.
I have heard only one logical explanation as to why Assad's side may have been the culprit, and that is the suggestion that Assad himself may be backing off a bit now he has the advantage and senior members of his own military have ordered this attack to ensure he stays with the program, ie turn him into such a pariah making it impossible for him to negotiate with anybody.

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Old 27th Aug 2013, 00:52
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Back in 1979, some musicians got together in a UNICEF concert held at the UN building in New York in the same hall (where surprise, surprise), some of our most esteemed politicians and representatives have been debating the current Syrian situation, in-between leaving their cars parked illegally, spending lavish amounts of their tax-payers' cash in the local department stores etc.

It was even a few years before U2 and Bono...?! The singers / artists who performed then "gave up" their songs and the copyrights?! Frankly speaking, I don't know how you can "save the children" without also saving their parents. Whatever, John Denver, 2 out of 3 of the Gibson brothers etc. are no longer "with us". But I'm pretty sure that they'd still sing for the children in Syria today:




(this last one of Cat Stevens who after converting to Islam became known as Yusuf Islam)

What does it all prove? Perhaps only that you can go to the UN with best intentions. And come away with nothing. 32 years later, the UN is still full of corrupt politicians representing corrupt countries. That's why we still have musicians composing sad songs in 2013.
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Old 27th Aug 2013, 01:18
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What does it prove, airship? That musicians can warble all night long, but what stops brutes and thugs is force and fear. Ya'll wanted a neutered U.S., and we apparently did, too. So we voted in a pseudo-European, bore of a child-man, intent on spending every remaining hour in office making sure the US withdraws from the world and the bad guys get a free pass. You should be happy.
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Old 27th Aug 2013, 02:00
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ABBA had four great tits. Then there were the blokes. airship you seem to be in la la land.

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Old 27th Aug 2013, 02:59
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What about Turkey. Jordan some others.
They all have a capable military and with USA training and money.
This is an Arab issue, not a USA one.
Time for the Arabs to stop playing lip service like they are so big and bad,well trained etc.
Either Shxt or get off the pot!
Syria is not worth 1 USD in defense or lives of our military.
Time for the Arabs to walk the walk, instead of all there bullshit talk.
But we all know how that story ends. as before in Kuwait, Iraq. Afghanistan.
Bedouins before they had oil and will be Bedouin again after the oil is gone.
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Old 27th Aug 2013, 03:05
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Better fill up the truck and bike with gasoline now,
Obummer launches one cruise missile gas companies will freak out and prices will go up severely.
Happens every time.
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Old 27th Aug 2013, 04:30
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Just another stop on the Middle Eastern tour with the inexplicable aim of replacing vaguely secular governments with hardline Islamists. Overtly or tacitly; Iraq, Egypt, Libya, etc.

Not sure why we're so intent on spending our treasure to enable the Global Caliphate, but there you have it.


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Old 27th Aug 2013, 05:02
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Never mind, the Middle East peace envoy is on top of things...
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Old 27th Aug 2013, 05:14
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While the world reacted with fury to claims of a chemical weapons attack in Damascus, Tony Blair visited several 'super-yachts' worth over £100m. The Special Envoy for the Middle East on behalf of the Quartet (the UN, EU, U.S. and Russia) arrived on Sardinia via private jet, and headed to the glamorous resort of Porto Rotondo, just a day after reports of the attack.
Thank you, siti, for sparing us the picture of the loathsome smirking smug parasitic pondlife who enriches himself off the misfortunes of others.
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Old 27th Aug 2013, 08:06
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Thank you, siti, for sparing us the picture of the loathsome smirking smug parasitic pondlife who enriches himself off the misfortunes of others
And on the bright side, Mrs Assad is haaawt. Say what you like about Bashar but in terms of taste he has all the entire UK leadership in the bag.
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Old 27th Aug 2013, 08:17
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Earl: But isn't that exactly what they are getting on with themselves? It is a regional strife, not one Arab leader so far has expressed even a tint of a wish for US-UK involvement. It really is only the US hawks inviting themselves in. Also, Lavrov as posted earlier has it right.

Now, dear ppruners, read and archive this article:
http://http://www.theguardian.com/wo...spection-kerry

Read that fiery, moralizing patronizing tirade from the man. He must know something about CW, he was there first hand when the US Oranged Vietnam. I guess he forgot. And in twenty something years when first reports surface about the CIA having helped and instigated this episode, much like in the Iraq-Iran episode I posted earlier, many of us will not be here any longer, and many other, younger and newer ppruners will be meh tinfoil hat and all that..but those of you who are here now and will be then, I do expect you to raise your voice when the time comes.

Russia better be stocking those SAMs in the region, they will come handy.

Edit oops bad link
Edit 2: found this, aired on 30 May 2013. Turkish police arrested 12 Al-Nusra affiliates reportedly trying to smuggle a 2kg container with sarin to Syria.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=5db_1369946610

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Old 27th Aug 2013, 08:45
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Originally Posted by Capetonian
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Thank you, siti, for sparing us the picture of the loathsome smirking smug parasitic pondlife who enriches himself off the misfortunes of others.
Quite possibly the only good thing Assad has done in his miserable little life is to tell Blair to go f**k himself when he came a callin'


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Old 27th Aug 2013, 08:49
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Originally Posted by W.R.A.I.T.H
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And on the bright side, Mrs Assad is haaawt. Say what you like about Bashar but in terms of taste he has all the entire UK leadership in the bag.
Don't be fooled by that evil Harpy. I thought she was the one egging her husband on to get the job done.


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Old 27th Aug 2013, 08:52
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As Cameron takes steps to full fill his self indulgences and drop you into another war with the obvious potential for reprisals and repercussions on the part of those who you're plotting to kill, tandem steps should be afoot to impeach Cameron.
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Old 27th Aug 2013, 09:44
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, tandem steps should be afoot to impeach Cameron
You don't know much about UK political conventions and law do you?

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Old 27th Aug 2013, 09:46
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Nope, the word though was should, not could.
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Old 27th Aug 2013, 10:27
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If Cameron, Hague, Hollander and Obama do engage in military action I hope they will all be removed come the next election, I hope the Democrats lose badly in the midterms, that's about the only way he can be punished!
Shame Cameron and Hague will likely retain their seats as MPs! They do deserve to lose power though. Labour are no better though what with their war record.
I would imagine Hollander will lose anyhow.
If they do engage in military action without full UN backing they should be arrested and charged with war crimes.
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Old 27th Aug 2013, 11:14
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The poor old Arabs!
Another regime, having been judged and condemned, is to be hounded and pounded by the righteous west.
'IDF intercepted Syrian regime chatter on chemical attack' | The Times of Israel

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Old 27th Aug 2013, 11:50
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Cameron just recalled UK parliament from summer recess, debate on UK response to alleged chem attacks takes place on Thursday. Shouldn't he have waited for the conclusion from the UN inspectors?

Also, Iranian Parliament has fast tracked a debate regarding whether or not to sue the US for their recently admitted involvement in the 1953 coup that overthrew the democratically elected Iranian PM.
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