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Old 25th Apr 2013, 18:03
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Spanish unemployment.

BBC News - Spain unemployment hits record high

I knew that unemployment in Spain was bad, but hadn't really thought about it in detail. Anecdotal evidence suggests that many of the young and educated are leaving to Germany and the UK seeking employment. Scary stuff.....just how do you keep a 3rd of the working population with enough benefits to stop civil unrest ?


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Old 25th Apr 2013, 18:42
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Civil unrest in Spain is so common that most people, other than those taking part, ignore it. There were 5 demonstrations per day in the Valencia Region last year, most of them in Valencia city. The British media wait for a bit of blood in Madrid and splash (sorry!) it all over the papers but in general the demonstrations are sober and peaceable. What is more worrying is whether there is anybody waiting in the wings ready to take advantage of the situation. Spain has looked to its King in the past but unfortunately he's blotted his copybook and apparently refuses to hand over the reins to his son, who seems to be able and has the highest popularity rating of any of the royals here. We had the Popular Front march down our street last year - they're the equivalent of the British National Front - and it was quite scary. It is rumoured that the British Consulate have plans in place for a mass evacuation of British expats, although they have vigorously denied it. Who knows?
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Mate owns a chain of guesthouses throughout the land of the Jocks.

Three years ago most of the staff applying were Polish, now he says most of the applications are Spanish!

Strange times.
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most of the applications are Spanish!
¿qué? . . . . .
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A plan to repatriate the Poms from Spain to Britain? Would the NHS and the pension people be able to stand the strain? HMRC would collapse under the over load of dealing with so much plotted evasion?
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Seems to me that Governments in lands with grass rather than sand underfoot have learned they have little to fear from civil disobedience and riot.
We see street riots on the news every night now that would have had them shiteing themselves a decade or so ago.
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A hundred years ago someone would have sent in the cavalry with drawn sabres and there'd not be riots and civil disobedience on the television every night.
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Now they send the Police but the stupid bastards have forgotten the first rule of Governing ,never piss off your Police Force your Intelligence Service or your Military, used to include the Church but not now,now you mustn't piss off the Mosques.

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Spanish unemployment >26%

Presumably, many B&Bs and other hotel establishments, but especially the English "Riviera" situated around Torquay in SW England might once again find themselves employing Spanish "Manuels". Only this time around, the Spaiards will probably speak English better than the locals (in addition to speaking Spanish, German, French etc)...?!

Not much chance that the BBC will produce a new "Fawlty Towers" ca. 2013/14 unfortunetly...
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just how do you keep a 3rd of the working population with enough benefits to stop civil unrest ?

Very simple according to Rajoy...you tax the working population, pensioners and anyone who still owns a house.

For the first time in 40 years Spain's population is dropping as South American workers and Dutch, British and German pensioners are all leaving in hundreds of thousands. To be precise, 206000 left in the past twelve months. (Source: Spanish office of statistics). It's that grim here.

So less tax income, Mr Rajoy. Oh well, you can always ring your hands in despair and raise the taxes yet again on the people who remain. And the French are still arriving to build holiday homes, and pumping money into the territories such as northern Spanish Catalunia - because things are even worse across the border in France....

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Not much chance that the BBC will produce a new "Fawlty Towers" ca. 2013/14 unfortunately...
Nor a "Mind your language" (unfortunately).. which I always enjoyed as a kid.

Seriously though it is pretty scary what is happening throughout Europe. The Bankers seem to be getting stronger with complicit politicians abound.

It won't be too long before we have a Working down t'pits on the one hand and Bankers on the other - a fine dichotomy indeed.
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By the way, Sunny John:

Civil Unrest & Military Takeover. Quite possible IMHO, the trouble is, given past evidence, the Catalans will all divide into separate factions and start fighing among themselves, allowing the Spanish Army to march in and slaughter everyone. Plenty of paths and tracks across the Pyranees for the OFSOs to escape northward, but the French aren't likely to welcome us.

Remember that the French only closed their last concentration camp - it was at Rivesaltes a few km north of Perpignan - in 1983.
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Remember that the French only closed their last concentration camp - it was at Rivesaltes a few km north of Perpignan - in 1983
Didnt know anything about that - what was that all about?
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Didnt know anything about that - what was that all about?
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As OFSO sagely pointed out, by taxing those who are working or have assets at a higher level to subsidise those who are not will only result, theoretically, in less spending/investing and therefore less tax revenue and so on in ever decreasing circles...scary. As with the Poles and others with a bit of 'get up and go' ,there will be emigration of the young to other lands, but that only takes care of so much of the 'problem'. If the Spanish government are really seriously trying to milk the retirees as well the very people who will just be spending (to live) peaceably and have few demands, other than normal medical needs, it makes you wonder just how desperate they are.



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I took a walk around the port in Empuriabrava marina this morning. Never seen so many shops, bars, restaurants closed down and for sale or rent.

OTOH I've never seen so many new villas going up in Empuriabrava: several older-but-still OK villas have been purchased and levelled in order to build new ones. And cement "tankers" blocking streets everywhere while they pump out new foundations and roofs; I was trying to get past trucks delivering spray-on-wall-covering silos, Chinese in our road sweeping to keep road clean of mud (someone must have borrocked them about the mess on their building site).

So on the one hand Spain's economy is collapsing, on the other people (and French) rushing in to buy and build.

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At least the job vacancies situation has taken a brief upturn this week.

Apparently Real Madrid and Barcelona are each looking for 11 guys who can actually play football.
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Of course dare one say....official figures...pinch of salt ?

I know more than one family living here full time, running a business, or both spouses working hard...children in local school.....and the tax office has never heard of them.
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I don't understand........I never realised the Spanish actually worked, I thought they just lounged around all day wine drinking and siesta-bedding
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I worked in Spain for a couple of years. Shortly before leaving, I went to the Hacienda (tax office) to ask them what I had to do about the tax I would owe them for which I had not yet received the assessment. The chap seemed quite surprised at the question, and said I could pay when I got the assessment which they would send to me in due course.

I offered to give him a forwarding address in South Africa, where he probably thought lions roam the streets, and he told me, in the way one might speak to a retarded 7 year old, that their system could only take Spanish addresses ... entonces ..... pues .... nada ... no nos sirve para nada (roughly translated : it's a waste of time).

I doubt whether it's much different now.
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