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Old 19th Apr 2013, 06:59
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F1 protests in Bahrain

Just watching a news report of trouble ahead of this weekends GP.

Loonies throwing petrol bombs at police.. This is obviously not a spur of the moment action by the perps, they came well prepared, they even had spares!

Here's a radical thought. Why not allow police to shoot idiots like this? Pushing, shoving and chanting is one thing but throwing petrol bombs is well out of order and the scrotes who do this deserve everything that comes their way.

Tin hat on waiting for the many bleeding heart liberals to shoot me down.
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Old 19th Apr 2013, 07:11
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So you prefer a totalitarian non-democratic regime instead. At least we know where you stand.

Everyone should have the right of self determination based on equal rights and equality of opportunity.
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Didn't take long, did it?

Everyone should have the right of self determination based on equal rights and equality of opportunity.
Presumably you also support their rights to commit attempted murder, than?
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One persons murderer is another persons freedom fighter. All depends on your point of view. Guess you called the guys in the colonies in 1775 attempted murderers too, how about the French/Dutch/Belgian/Italian/Greek etc resistance in WWII, lemme guess, murderers too???? Any of the protesters during the Arab Spring? Ah of course, murderers too.

So you lot prefer autocratic regimes and any one protesting them or standing up against them are now attempted murderers.....
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Everyone should have the right of self determination based on equal rights and equality of opportunity.
Of course. And if you served in the police and you had people throwing petrol bombs or rocks at you, you'd feel the same way? Do forgive me if I misjudge you.
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I mean those whose protest involves the use of potentially lethal force. What else would you call chucking a petrol bomb at people?
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Everyone should have the right of self determination based on equal rights and equality of opportunity.
Yes, everyone does have a right to self determination but, please, pray tell me wtf this has to do with throwing petrol bombs at law inforcement officers? I advocate shooting these scum bags, you applaud the way they go about getting their self determination?

Can't have it both ways.
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Yes, everyone does have a right to self determination but, please, pray tell
me wtf this has to do with throwing petrol bombs at law inforcement officers? I advocate shooting these scum bags, you applaud the way they go about getting their self determination?

Can't have it both ways.
Bahrain tortures its own people and has a dismal human rights record.

I do agree with you, the protesters should just shoot the scum bags instead of throwing rocks and petrol bombs.
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Why do I debate the issue of freedom with guys who live in a free democracy and are able to post on forums like this, but don't want the rest of the world to enjoy that same freedom.....

Bunch of hypocrites you lot.
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Well done, cldrvr, you've just defined anarchy. No doubt views like yours are helpful in making those of the rest of us seem a little saner.
but don't want the rest of the world to enjoy that same freedom.....
Nobody has said any such thing. Does your idea of 'freedom' include the right to throw petrol bombs?

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Does your idea of 'freedom' include the right to throw petrol bombs?
he gives his location as Manchester.

Enough said!
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Does your idea of 'freedom' include the right to throw petrol bombs?
Bahrain is no different to Lybia, Syria, Egypt, Tunisia..

They have every right to revolt against a totalitarian regime. Were you also advocating to shoot the protesters in the rest of the Arab world? How about the anti apartheid movement? How about all the colonies standing up to their imperial masters? How about the revolutionaries in the US in 1775. How about the resistance during the Nazi occupation in Europe? Should they all have been shot too by the police/army?

Why is Bahrain any different? Just because they have oil? Why do Bahrainis in your eyes have less rights then the rest do?
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Were you also advocating to shoot the protesters in the rest of the Arab world?
YES

And not just in the Arab world. Anyone firing guns or throwing petrol bombs at police etc should expect a round or two of ammo coming back at them.
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Why do Bahrainis in your eyes have less rights then the rest do?
Right back at you. Why do Bahrainis in your eyes have the right to throw petrol bombs without consequences when I don't?

Evanelpus is right; you can't have it both ways.
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They have every right to revolt against a totalitarian regime.
By whose authority cldrvr?

Oh and do answer a question when it's put to you instead of the usual waffle that you seem to use.
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Bahrain is no different to Lybia, Syria, Egypt, Tunisia...They have every right to revolt against a totalitarian regime.
I hear what you’re saying, and the principle is sound, but the practical reality is somewhat different.

The protesters are most likely from the Shi’ite community, who have been at odds with Bahrain’s Sunni rulers for some while. And yes, they do get a raw deal, and have legitimate grievances. The problem is that the Shi’ites have close links with Iran, whose government are at the very least offering them moral support, if not actively encouraging insurrection. If they got their way, you’d simply be replacing one tyrannical regime with another one.
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And yes, they do get a raw deal
Raw deal? Their first 2 protests back in 2011 were peaceful, they were then forcibly removed by the authorities and several lost their lives. Bahrain invited SA in to help out and 4,000 of them were rounded up and tortured. The torture is admitted by the governments own report in the incident and had lots of recommendations, all ignored of course.

Guys here who will defend the actions of a totalitarian government so they can enjoy a car race for a few hours on a Sunday disgust me.

Let's not even start with the posters who say that all protesters in the Arab Spring uprising should all just be shot.

How easy it is for those that enjoy living under democratic conditions and untold freedoms to have rose tinted glasses when it comes to others around the world wishing for the same.
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OK you guys. Are you going to give back the tea you chucked into the harbour? Are you going to apologise for shooting at the red-coats? Are you going to agree to be ruled from Westminster? I didn't think so.

Transition to a democratic society is almost always violent. You don't get dictators to stand aside by asking them politely.

From Wiki:

Human rights in Bahrain
The period between 1975 and 1999 known as the "State Security Law Era", saw wide range of human rights violations including arbitrary arrests, detention without trial, torture and forced exile. After the Emir Hamad Al Khalifa (now king) succeeded his father Isa Al Khalifa in 1999, he introduced wide reforms and human rights improved significantly. These moves were described by Amnesty International as representing a "historic period of human rights".

Human rights conditions started to decline by 2007 when torture began to be employed again. In 2011, Human Rights Watch described the country's human rights situation as "dismal".

In 2011, Bahrain was criticised for its crackdown on the Arab spring uprising. In September, a government appointed commission confirmed reports of grave human rights violations including systematic torture. The government promised to introduce reforms and avoid repeating the "painful events". However, reports by human rights organisations Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch issued in April 2012 said the same violations were still happening.
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Old 19th Apr 2013, 09:40
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It is hard to defend a regime that gives out sentences of 15 years imprisonment to doctors who treated wounded protestors after 2011's protests.


Bahraini court confirms jail terms for medics who aided protesters ? RT News
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