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Old 18th May 2015, 05:32
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Where's Bubba?

I am a bit surprised that none of you has come up with that celebrated figure, "Bubba," the big, hairy rapist so many see as dishing out rough justice to various incarcerated hate figures in the USA. That's good, actually, unless it just shows a lack of imagination.

On the other hand, nobody else sees Mr Tsarnaev as some sort of weakling, a fumbler, a putz, someone whose image would actually be improved by being put to death? (I'm sorry, but torture is not on offer these days, so no driving the fellow mad in the way sketched out here. Anyway, you forgot the loud accordion music playing continuously.)

These two terrorists did manage to kill and maim a few innocent people, but it was all downhill after that, murdering that cop for his gun, which they could not then get out of its holster, stealing a vehicle in a way sure to draw attention, and then getting into a shoot-out that ended with little brother running over big brother with their stolen vehicle ... this was not exactly "Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid" but more "The Gang That Couldn't Shoot Straight," more farce than tragedy.

Let's not raise this fellow's status by killing him; he's not worth it.
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Old 18th May 2015, 06:43
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Good riddance.

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Old 18th May 2015, 07:04
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Originally Posted by El Grifo View Post
Remove him from the planet !
That would be expensive. Underneath it would be cheaper.

I'm sure the bears at a local zoo would appreciate a plaything.
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Old 18th May 2015, 09:48
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Life in prison without the possibility of parole would have done the job just fine. That way, he disappears from society, he's not a martyr and his victims and their families don't have to suffer even more when his various appeals (followed by the ultimate outcome) crop up in the news over the next ten years.

That is exactly the view articulated by the family whose young son was killed and whose daughter lost a leg - they opposed the death penalty for that reason and now they have this additional suffering imposed on them.

It is, frankly, a stupid, ill-thought out verdict which will bring increased suffering to those who have already suffered enough.
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Old 18th May 2015, 13:28
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I think Myra Hindley and Ian Brady make the best adverts for not having a death penalty. She was desperate to get parole but had to stay in jail until she died of natural causes, while Brady is being force fed to keep him alive and stop him getting out of his sentence by the other method. Let "Life" mean life, that's justice.
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Old 18th May 2015, 13:33
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Originally Posted by El Grifo View Post
Bullshit !!

Remove him from the planet
Concur. And let's not waste a lot of time about it.
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Old 18th May 2015, 13:44
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I'm with chuks and octopussy on this one. Although the reaction of many to this walking barbarian may be in support of the passed death penalty, the death penalty does not punish. Once the person is executed there is no more punishment.

Someone like Tsarnaev needs to spend the remainder of his days in a maximum security prison like ADX Florence in Florence, CO. Where he would sit in his 7'x12' cell for 23 of 24 hours a day. In solitary confinement. Now THAT would be punishment, no?
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Old 18th May 2015, 20:16
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BTW: Tsarnaev's mother had this to say about the death sentence passed on her son:

"They think that they are killing us and they celebrate this, but we are the ones who will rejoice when Allah grants us the chance to behold them in the flames of an eternal and terrifying fire, an otherworldly flame. The United States will burn in the flames of an eternal and terrifying fire.

Yes, you have a nice day too Mrs. Tsarnaev.
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Old 18th May 2015, 20:45
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The death penalty provided it is correctly applied solve two big issues: the high cost on keeping the guilty to a high security jail and two it avoids being liberated on humanitarian or political grounds a couple of decades in the future.


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Old 18th May 2015, 23:16
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The former not so much, the later most definitely.

It costs less to house a prisioner till natural death than to kill them after all the legal bills are totaled. Damn lawyers.
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Old 19th May 2015, 01:37
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Personally I think leaving the scumbag in solitary for the rest of his life would be a far more severe punishment for him. This guy does not deserve a quick exit. He'll go to his death now thinking of himself as a martyr.

Or he could be put in a cell with the biggest, meanest ex army type in the system....or a guy who likes to get friendly with other guys whether they like it or not.

Regardless, I shall not shed any tears.
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Old 19th May 2015, 13:35
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Originally Posted by Una Due Tfc View Post
Personally I think leaving the scumbag in solitary for the rest of his life would be a far more severe punishment for him.
And pointless.
Or he could be put in a cell with the biggest, meanest ex army type in the system....or a guy who likes to get friendly with other guys whether they like it or not.
As that penalty is not in the criminal code, I do not see any reason to support your position of extrajudicial punishment.
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Old 19th May 2015, 13:56
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It's strange how we get these two extremes. It's usually either "Off with his head!" or else "Subject him to homosexual rape by Bubba!" What's wrong with just locking the guilty bastard up? That seems to be working out fine for the Unabomber and for Sirhan B. Sirhan. Why this primitive urge to kill or rape, and to have someone else do that for you?

One of the guys we did kill, the one who blew up that building in Oklahoma City, Timothy McVeigh ... I always had the feeling that there was more that he could have told us about that, specifically who else was his accomplice. When he rented the truck that held the bomb, the clerk mentioned a second man they never found, and I think that after a few years of staring at those plain walls, Timothy might well have decided to have a chat with someone, if only out of sheer boredom. No chance of that now, of course.

You can get some pretty weird results from locking people up. Check out that Japanese the Israelis have locked up for a "Red Army" airport massacre, for instance. I bet that little Mr Tsarnaev is quite labile, so good for some surprises over the course of a long imprisonment.
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Old 19th May 2015, 14:05
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chuks wrote:

When he rented the truck that held the bomb, the clerk mentioned a second man they never found
Was the second man not Terry Nichols who was indeed found and now sits 23 hours a day in his cell in ADX Florence, CO?????
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Old 19th May 2015, 19:51
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It costs less to house a prisioner till natural death than to kill them after all the legal bills are totaled. Damn lawyers.
Not true. Those sentenced to "life without parole" have just as many, and in some cases more avenues for appeal. Statistically, a "Life Without Parole" sentence results in MORE appeals (some estimates peg it at 2X to 3x) than a death sentence.
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