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Has UKIP's time come?

Old 24th Jan 2015, 20:57
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In the mean time, Ukip MEP Amjad Bashir defects to the Tory Party... two for one... who's next? Musical chairs anyone?
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Old 24th Jan 2015, 22:18
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Mr Bashir is a very prominent supporter of the National Pothole Support,


“Repairs to our streets are being ignored and it is time for us to go back to basics and tackle the issues which are important for every motorist." explains Mr Bashir.


Mr Bashir, UKIP Euro-MP added, “This is a perfect opportunity for the general public to show the authorities about their strength of feeling on this issue.”


Mr Bashir was formerly a Labour party member before joining the Tory party, which he then left to join UKIP, looks like he does like musical chairs.
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Old 25th Jan 2015, 13:01
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The Divine One has spoken....

Ukip leader Nigel Farage hits back at defector Amjad Bashir | Politics | The Guardian

Strange really, given the "meeting of minds" with all those involved.

And the good news is that the campaign has yet to begin in earnest, so there's plenty of time for other "unfortunate misunderstandings " to appear.
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Old 25th Jan 2015, 13:45
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Wonder how much was in the brown envelope
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Old 25th Jan 2015, 14:14
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Looks like someone just struck the "auto-destruction" button, just like the National Front in France... sharks amongst themselves...!!!! Fun to watch though!!!
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Old 25th Jan 2015, 14:20
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The guy is quite clearly nuts. You don't do the rounds of political parties like that if you have any concept of your own views and how they relate to real life events. Most likely has his fingers in the till too. Are the Tories going to accept him?
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Old 25th Jan 2015, 16:11
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According to news reports Bashir says "only the Tories can control immigration" - if that's not delusional what is?
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Old 25th Jan 2015, 18:58
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The SNP is only interested in fostering grievance and destroying the UK - Telegraph
1) They're a weight hanging from our necks, dragging us all down. On our own, freed from the regulation, red-tape and able to make our own laws, imagine how much more we could do. We'd have more money to spend for a start. There's absolutely no reason why we can't be a successful independent country. Yes I know hosts of prominent businesses and warn of disaster if we leave, but they're all wrong. We haven't exactly worked out how we'd solve all of the problems yet but you'll just have to trust us, it'll be fine I promise.

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2) No, you've got it all wrong. We're stronger together. How can we possibly try and compete with China/India as a tiny independent nation. Our economy would suffer, business is totally against the idea, you can't take such a massive risk without a concrete plan on key issues. All you offer is fear and divisiveness, not answers.

I'm sure this all sounds familiar, but is it an SNP v Better Together independence or UKIP v Lib-Dem broadcast? It's always intrigued me how the most passionate unionists, who ridicule SNP claims, are among the first to use very similar arguments when talking about the EU. (I don't support independence btw, just making an observation)
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Old 25th Jan 2015, 21:51
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You mention the EU - that is a subject which deserves extensive informed discussion, but I doubt there will be any qualified people who could give unbiased opinion.
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Old 25th Jan 2015, 21:59
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Now George Galloway claims that Amjad Bashir was deselected by the Respect party! Talk about a serial enroller!
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Old 25th Jan 2015, 22:15
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He'll be looking for the Vicarship of Bray soon then!

Text: The Vicar of Bray

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Old 26th Jan 2015, 07:28
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Quite obviously a chancer. You get quite a few in local politics. They get involved hoping for some sort of spin off that might help them in business. Today some of them even do it for the expenses. When I became a District Councillor in 1986 the expenses were £12 per meeting. Now it can be several thousand quid a year.
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Old 26th Jan 2015, 12:06
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Now it can be several thousand quid a year.
Councils vary widely. In some the allowance can easily be many thousands of pounds per year less than the income lost by taking time off paid work to do council stuff.
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Old 26th Jan 2015, 16:10
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Except that in most Councils, of which I'm aware, the councillors are retired public sector employees who not content with their inflation proof pensions, continue to soak the taxpayer with expense claims.
The rot started under Heath - his government introduced substantial expenses for Local Authorities.
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Old 26th Jan 2015, 17:10
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Gertrude

Councils vary widely. In some the allowance can easily be many thousands of pounds per year less than the income lost by taking time off paid work to do council stuff.
People who become councillors are generally active members of political parties who want to play at being 'politicians'.

If they choose to do so they should do so at their own expense* - just like others who take time away from work to pursue their hobbies/interests.

* Except for reimbursement of travel expenses incurred wholly, exclusively and necessarily on council business.


Just out of curiosity:
How many councillors are there on your council?
How many are independents?
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Old 26th Jan 2015, 18:05
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Mine was 48. One Independent. A guy who was the maddest by a country mile. Used to wear flared trouser suits,a kipper tie and a collar length wig. He spoke in Malaprops. He used to refer to a bascule bridge in the town as "The Vascular Bridge". I used to retort that it was at the heart of the town and prevented circulation.
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Old 26th Jan 2015, 21:43
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Snouts in the trough

I am aware of a local Lib Dem who is a District Councillor (£4k plus expenses) and County Councillor (£9k plus expenses). As the person in question doesn't seem to have any qualifications, they are better off on £250 per week plus exs than they would be if working 40 hours on minimum wage and paying to get to work.
The aforementioned individual seems to have abandoned paid employment to pursue his political interests.
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Old 27th Jan 2015, 06:51
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Quite common in my experience. They are also quite attractive positions for the retired. They do require you to do some simple courses on things such as planning. These are generally aimed at getting newly elected members onside for the officers so that you will accept their "advice" without question.

This usually involves accepting applications from large developers without asking awkward questions whilst dismissing applications from Joseph Public out of hand. The latter just supply the fodder to warrant the existence of the planners whilst the former provide the wherewithal to live in the style to which they have been accustomed.
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Old 27th Jan 2015, 11:41
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In North Yorks County Council, one of my relatives had to print out the menus of pubs nearby planning request sites for the Planning Committee. If the potential free lunches were not up to standard, the visit would be cancelled and planning permission denied.

One of my ex-RAF colleagues got so fed up with his local council in Lincolnshire's crooked ways (e.g. village development suddenly shifted to area nearly two miles away, with "compulsory purchase" at inflated rates of fields that, purely co-incidentally, belonged to the council leader's cousin) that he ran and defeated the council leader in the next election. He did, however, have inside information sources and the backing of the local paper.
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Old 27th Jan 2015, 12:58
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Except for reimbursement of travel expenses incurred wholly, exclusively and necessarily on council business.
I (almost) never claimed the expenses.

The reason I told people was that the council needed the money more than I did.

But another reason was that I couldn't be arsed with the paperwork.
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