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Old 22nd Nov 2012, 19:04
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Why don't clothing companies keep a good design

My last two waterproof walking jackets which I have worn for work as a surveyor have some very useful features: -
  • Hood that rolls up into the collar
  • Removeable generic fleece rather than a padded number
  • A zipped pocket on the outside of the jacket, but inside the flap covering the zip
  • Pockets inside if the jacket is worn without a fleece

I need a new one. I spent all afternoon at Cheshire Oaks looking at jackets from about ten different shops. Not one jacket had all these items.

Few had the 'secret pocket'. Very handy if it's wet and you don't want to open your jacket to get your wallet out;
Several had hoods that zip off, but if you leave the hood at home (so you don't look like a train spotter) and it rains, you get wet;
Manchester is not the Alps. I don't need the warmth, just the convenience of a waterproof jacket with the option of a fleece it it gets really cold (about two days a year); and
Does no-one have wallets they don't want stolen?

Am I becoming Victor Meldrew?
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Old 22nd Nov 2012, 19:15
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"There's no call for it."

"We're always being asked for it, but there's no call for it."


(genuine comment from a shopkeeper when I asked for something that had been discontinued)
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Old 22nd Nov 2012, 19:28
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Try "go outdoors". Has everything me & swmbo need for hound-walking, especially as it is presently chucking it down in the Peoples Republic of South Bristol.

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Old 22nd Nov 2012, 19:29
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Try the Rohan website, still making practical stuff 'that nobody wants'


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Old 22nd Nov 2012, 20:07
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Why don't clothing companies keep a good design

Have a look at Spryway jackets, goretex one, they have a zip in liner, hood that rolls up making a good collar.
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Old 22nd Nov 2012, 20:50
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Have you looked at Cotton Traders and also Berghaus?
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Old 22nd Nov 2012, 21:12
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My Gant has all that, and more.
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Old 22nd Nov 2012, 21:55
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Apart from Gant - which had nothing in stock remotely what I was looking for, none of the other brands mentioned are at Cheshire Oaks.

The others seem to have what I want online, so I will go and have a closer look in person - all seem to have shops near each other in Manchester.
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Old 22nd Nov 2012, 23:05
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Your only mistake was going to Cheshire Oaks, which is an outlet centre... i.e. end-of-line, excess stock, rejected prototypes and seconds. By definition, the stock is there because it didn't sell or couldn't be sold on the high street.

Try the Trafford Centre - but watch out, it's ridiculously busy!
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Old 23rd Nov 2012, 05:42
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Espada, my jacket is called Grant Double Jacket, I can't vouch for its water tightness in extreme weather as I have not tested it in such, but it has all those other features you call for.
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Old 23rd Nov 2012, 07:30
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SHJ, does Rohan still provide those oh so practical rear pockets in their trouser? The ones where anything that gets put in them digs into your bum as you walk or sit down? Bludy expensive kit too. (Thought the Hot Bags are brilliant for standing around in Norway looking at the Northern Lights )

In answer the the OP, you tend to get what you pay for which is why I'm looking at one of the Lowe Triclimate combos for my next commuting jacket. Not sure about the allocation of pockets but the hood is spot on. Discounted all over the place too.
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Old 23rd Nov 2012, 09:02
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I'd almost forgotten those bloody back pockets that Rohan came up with.

All it needed was a line of stitching so that it stopped whatever you put in there sliding down to the bottom end of your bum crack and giving the impression that you'd shat yourself.

Maybe that's why everyone went off them.
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Old 23rd Nov 2012, 09:14
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That could explain why they put double pockets in the front, because the rear ones were unusable.
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Old 23rd Nov 2012, 09:41
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Slightly off topic, but does anybody know why clothing manufacturers never learn. For fifty years I have hunted through the "Reduced" or "end of line" racks in clothes shops, and they have ALWAYS been full of small sizes.

Why do they always make overstock of small sizes? It seems to me to be simple enough to base this years production on last years sales.

Or are we (as a population) getting fatter faster than they can respond?
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Old 23rd Nov 2012, 09:57
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Fat people have more money, that's why there's no large sizes left at sales.
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Old 23rd Nov 2012, 10:30
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Clothing manufacturers are always chasing the next fashion. You old (and young) fogeys should know that.
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Fashion? FASHION? My dear Sitigeltfel, the wise among us here do style, not fashion!
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Old 23rd Nov 2012, 12:06
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Ah, I see now. Clothing manufacturers don't think fat people will want to be trendy, so they don't make many large sizes.

Forgetting, of course, that when the fashion changes the fat old fogeys will just have caught up and be looking to buy the previous style.

Not that fashion changes much in what I want to buy - sports jacket, plain grey/brown/black trousers, plain-ish shirts...

Have taken to shopping at Oxfam nowadays. Seems a bit similar there though, or maybe fat people don't die??
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Old 23rd Nov 2012, 12:33
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And what about Levi's 501 original "shrink-to-fit" jeans? Still available apparently, but in a much "lower-weight denim" destined to last a dozen washes at best I expect - I still have a pair of Wranglers - must be about 30 years old now, hole in 1 pocket but otherwise still a very good fit...?!

Going back to Levi's, it appears that they've since discontinued their 501s "for women" - ready-to-wear version included. Some of you are undoubtedly going to accuse me of being a "cross-dresser or whatever", but ever since one of my Ex.s let me try on a pair of hers' about 25 years ago, I've only ever bought the 501s "for women". They "fitted" so much better and were much more comfortable to wear than the "male" sizes too.

Alas, Levi's current range of both men's and women's jeans leaves me completely confused. All of them appear to have extra-small zipped or button-fronts (requiring contortious efforts to simply relieve oneself) in addition to tiny back-pockets, incapable of holding the average "man's sized "wallet" or else positionned "too low" on the bum. Perhaps my bum is too small...?!

PS. The problem with all "old good designs" is that the new designers, nay, "creators" populating these companies often fresh from college and paid huge salaries which would make the shop-floor workers grind their teeth at night, simply have to justify their exorbitante salaries...otherwise how else are they going to pay back their student loans?
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Old 23rd Nov 2012, 13:15
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Can relate to a lot of the comments here, especially concerning the strange fit of clothing and how stuff my size (tall, broad-shouldered) never appears in the sales. Who are these slack-shoulder dwarves who never buy the stock and why have the retailers not woken up to their annual over-stock?

In answer to the original question, for my surveying work I still use my ancient Barbour Border. While not got an integral hood, I find that a decent hat solves most problems and the pockets are just suitable ... good pocket under the zip flap and copious pockets where required. Whole thing tough as old boots. Looks like a set of old boots now, yet still functional.
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