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Old 22nd Nov 2012, 06:59
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UK offered no political or material support for Viet Nam, which happened much
closer to our WWII rescue of the UK. That wouldn't have played well with the
Left either.

I think that when the UK goes through its Islamic war in
the next decade or two, it may find an indifferent US populace remembering Iraq
and Viet Nam. Even though Tony Blair brought UK participation to Iraq, the
people weren't behind him, and rejected their US alliance en masse.
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No we didn't come to Vietnam but we did come to Korea and left many behind. During Vietnam we were occupied in Aden, Borneo and Norhern Ireland and had a Labour government too for some of it.

Britain was definitely not 'en masse' against the US alliance for the Iraq war, a very vocal minority was, who were nurtured and encouraged by a very left wing media. The majority of Britons also favour Israel but again the vocal minority and the left leaning media do give a very different picture, at times one could reasonably wonder if there are any news reporters actually in Israel, or are they all gathered together in the Gaza hospitals?

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Old 22nd Nov 2012, 09:25
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Who d'ya think's gonna violate the cease fire first?

Twelve rockets hit Israel after truce: police - FRANCE 24
 
Old 22nd Nov 2012, 10:02
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Just had a browse through some old maps. Many centuries ago (we're talking BC here) when Israel had conquered the entire area, there WAS no Palestine. Where Palestine is now was then Judah, then in small numbers BC it became Philistia. 2000 years ago it seems to all be Palestine. Now it appears from the maps posted above, it seems to be mostly Israel. There is no constant OUR LAND / YOUR LAND for anyone to claim as how it should be. There are two peoples. The leadership of one wants to get on with life. The leadership of the other has in its charter the replacement of the first with an Islamic Palestinian state. It seems clear to me where the aggressor leadership resides.
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Old 22nd Nov 2012, 10:12
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It seems clear to me where the aggressor leadership resides
I wish I understood why leaderships (=people) have to be agressive at all. Can't people just live their lives?
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Old 22nd Nov 2012, 13:12
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If a European minister made such a statement about illegal migrants, it would be called "having ba11s". Sadly nobody has stepped to the plate and that is why Europe will be overrun by Islamist Jihadists in a few years.
 
Old 22nd Nov 2012, 14:34
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I was wondering why they put new barbed wire around some of the old concentration camps.
What is old becomes new again

Start worrying if they install large wood chippers to help with the gardening.
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Old 22nd Nov 2012, 17:02
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I feel very sorry for the lot of them.

No-one should glorify killing anyone, and especially not civilians.

However, when the Arabs kill Israeli civilians, the record over the last 30 years is that for each Israeli killed, 10 Arabs die.

The modern state of Israel was born out of terror*, and perhaps it just stays that way for ever?

Couldn't the Israelis buy and move to a Greek island instead?

* Oh yes it was. My pa was there, and the Brits were shot at by both the Arabs, and those aspiring to become Israelis. The latter had better guns.
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Old 22nd Nov 2012, 17:43
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The latter had better guns.
And therein lies the problem. Israelis are being criticized for having lower casualty numbers due to their preparedness and availability of superior weapons.

Don't bring a knife to a gunfight, comes to mind...
 
Old 22nd Nov 2012, 18:11
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However, when the Arabs kill Israeli civilians, the record over the last 30 years is that for each Israeli killed, 10 Arabs die.
So what you are saying is that the problem is that not enough Israelis are dying. If their dead were more numerous things would be ducky.

Well, it seems the bus bomber types are trying to equalize those stats.
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Old 22nd Nov 2012, 18:18
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.....for each Israeli killed, 10 Arabs die.
Hang on, hang on.... I'm doing some math
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Old 22nd Nov 2012, 18:19
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Nope, doesn't work. Need more Israelis.....
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Old 22nd Nov 2012, 18:36
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If the Palestinians put down their weapons there would be peace,If the Israelis put down their weapons there would be slaughter. Any one care to comment?
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Old 22nd Nov 2012, 18:53
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Sounds about right.
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Old 22nd Nov 2012, 22:07
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BBC News - Egypt's President Mursi assumes sweeping powers

Now here's a surprise - not. Talk about the Arab Spring of Democracy.
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Old 22nd Nov 2012, 22:20
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Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.......
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Old 22nd Nov 2012, 22:35
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Beware of what you wish for. Many championing the overthrow of Middle Eastern governments have not really looked at what is following. Syria, I would imagine, will be no different
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Old 22nd Nov 2012, 22:48
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Beware of what you wish for.
Or perhaps "Better the Devil you know...."
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Old 22nd Nov 2012, 22:58
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Indeed 11fan,

I knew we'd agree on something one day
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Old 22nd Nov 2012, 23:12
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" Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.......Meet the new boss, same as the old boss......."

I think the old one was far better.......

Another Obummer foreign policy triumph .
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Old 22nd Nov 2012, 23:37
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I knew we'd agree on something one day
Yeah LAJ, thought I would save it until late in the year.
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